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rob sparx wrote:Many of them are not strictly vinyl either they think that serato actually is vinyl (some even thinking it somehow magically makes an mp3 sound like a vinyl) play the few unreleased tunes they can get their hands on thru serato and still try the vinyl guilt trip routine. Where these guys getting sent some decent dubs most of them would be using mainly serato not cutting plates, for the large part the only difference between producer djs playing mainly digital sets and bedroom djs playing mainly vinyl sets is one has a good amount of fresh tunes to play and the other doesn't. You guys can pat yourselves on the back for buying records and supporting the industry but having a bag full of the same records as the next dj aint anything to be that smug about.

i agree to some extent about some people who think being a vinyl DJ instantly elevates you, but the idea that having dubs (digital or not) makes you better than someone who doesn't is just as ridiculous. so many digital DJs have a bag/hard drive full of unknown tunes by unknown producers that are often unknown for a reason, so having a pile of dubs that noone's heard isn't always something to be smug about either. the idea that a vinyl DJ has a bag full of tunes the same as everyone else is just as misguided. with a DJ that plays predominantly dubstep that may be the case if it's a DJ that only players the freshest of fresh tunes but that's their own fault for not playing older stuff as well, and for someone that plays music from across the board they could have all sorts in the bag that noone would be expecting

on both sides you've got lazy and smug people who use arguments in their favour that are pretty pointless in reality

but surely if ur cutting tunes, ur quality control is gona be shedloads better than if ur bangin out a thousand cd's n playing most of em just because u wana say "no1 else has these" if the tunes are swag it dont matter how many unheard tunes uve got.

apmje wrote:

rob sparx wrote:

th@-pu$$y wrote:

deadly habit wrote:honestly it has to be a solid release all around for me to pick it up on vinyl anymore especially when you weigh the costs of each when you're after just one side of a 12"
format doesn't really make a difference to me far as playing, and cds or timecode and a laptop is a lot more convenient than lugging around a bunch of wax since i'm not getting any younger
you just have to learn the nuances and quirks of both formats and the equipment
the classic adage of a poor craftsman blames his tools definitely applies here

Warning

Just another elitest thread reminding everyone who's not strictly vinyl, just how much they suck.

Many of them are not strictly vinyl either they think that serato actually is vinyl (some even thinking it somehow magically makes an mp3 sound like a vinyl) play the few unreleased tunes they can get their hands on thru serato and still try the vinyl guilt trip routine. Where these guys getting sent some decent dubs most of them would be using mainly serato not cutting plates, for the large part the only difference between producer djs playing mainly digital sets and bedroom djs playing mainly vinyl sets is one has a good amount of fresh tunes to play and the other doesn't. You guys can pat yourselves on the back for buying records and supporting the industry but having a bag full of the same records as the next dj aint anything to be that smug about.

I think your hitting the bedroom DJs a bit hard frankly since we also pay just as much as the people playing out or more in some cases (since a lot of us use vinyl) but even if I did play out, I'd still use vinyl...were not being smug and I know I ain't just because I use vinyl, only doing it to support the scene. Each to their own I guess but I think your taking a very one minded approach to this. We still keep the labels making money...unfortunately were not all that awesome to be getting dubs left, right and centre.

Read what ive said properly im not slating all bedroom djs just the ones who try the "why don't you play just vinyl" routine as its fucking boring explaining it to ppl over and over again and it always comes down to £ - basically if promoter doesn't mind forking out a bit more so I can cut dubs then thats great but unsuprisingly most promoters are not going to do this as they are not really fussed and happier to save a few quid and have the dj playing cdj or serato.

Big names are getting paid enough that they can afford to cut dubs even though many do not for practical reasons which is completely understandable and needs no justification to anyone but the idea that less big names doing this full time should be spending nearly as much as they are getting for a gig on dubplates just to keep the few ppl who actually give a shit about format's happy is waste. I prefer vinyl to cd otherwise I wouldn't still be playing vinyl despite the bullshit associated with it but ppl making struggling producers feel bad about basically not being able to afford to cut acetates (or even buy vinyl in this current climate!) can go fuck themselves thats what im saying really - unless you are playing vinyl, producing your own tunes on a regular basis and cutting them to dubplate cannot say shit

badger wrote:the idea that having dubs (digital or not) makes you better than someone who doesn't is just as ridiculous. so many digital DJs have a bag/hard drive full of unknown tunes by unknown producers that are often unknown for a reason,

Yea of course there's plenty of cack out there im talking about quality fresh tunes from well known or talented producers though

badger wrote:the idea that a vinyl DJ has a bag full of tunes the same as everyone else is just as misguided. with a DJ that plays predominantly dubstep that may be the case if it's a DJ that only players the freshest of fresh tunes but that's their own fault for not playing older stuff as well, and for someone that plays music from across the board they could have all sorts in the bag that noone would be expecting

thats what im getting at djs that only play dubstep

instant gratification of a physical 12 - i use Traktor also and its the wisest option for me ... but at the end of the day nothing beats vinyl im content being in denial

nope... to many quality tunes on dub...
CDJs... i still 100% prefer the tactile feel
of vinyl.. but its all about the tunes in the
end... so my decision has already been
made for me...

rob sparx wrote:You guys can pat yourselves on the back for buying records and supporting the industry but having a bag full of the same records as the next dj aint anything to be that smug about.

Are all the plates/320's you play exclusive to yourself?

arktrix wrote:

rob sparx wrote:You guys can pat yourselves on the back for buying records and supporting the industry but having a bag full of the same records as the next dj aint anything to be that smug about.

Are all the plates/320's you play exclusive to yourself?

What he's saying is that if you use cd's/dvs everyone will start to give you dubs . Even if you use vinyl but can't afford to cut dubplate then i don't see an issue in just burning it to a disc, doesn't mean you have to convert

charliefoy wrote:

arktrix wrote:

rob sparx wrote:You guys can pat yourselves on the back for buying records and supporting the industry but having a bag full of the same records as the next dj aint anything to be that smug about.

Are all the plates/320's you play exclusive to yourself?

What he's saying is that if you use cd's/dvs everyone will start to give you dubs . Even if you use vinyl but can't afford to cut dubplate then i don't see an issue in just burning it to a disc, doesn't mean you have to convert

Thats not what im saying at all - im saying that for djs who are serious about production there may come a point where the majority of your set is unreleased material and even if you were playing mainly vinyl b4 you now have to decide whether to cut dubs or play digital format for the majority of your set. I just don't think a dj who hasn't got to that stage is in a position to be trying to get one over on someone who is already there doing the vinyl guilt trip routine as where they in the same situation they very probably would also choose to play digital format over vinyl for financial reasons.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with not playing a vinyl set of released material just don't try to make me and other producers feel bad about choosing to play our set (lots of it with our own dubs) on digital as at the end of the day the music is whats important not the format. If all the best tunes I can play are unreleased im fukt if im going to not play some of those tunes and play vinyl instead just to show im supporting that format, where practical ill keep playing vinyl for tunes that have been released (for a really super quick mix or keymatching that requires use of master tempo function it doesnt always make sense to use vinyl) but atm its only say 8 tunes in a one hour set

rob sparx wrote:

th@-pu$$y wrote:

deadly habit wrote:honestly it has to be a solid release all around for me to pick it up on vinyl anymore especially when you weigh the costs of each when you're after just one side of a 12"
format doesn't really make a difference to me far as playing, and cds or timecode and a laptop is a lot more convenient than lugging around a bunch of wax since i'm not getting any younger
you just have to learn the nuances and quirks of both formats and the equipment
the classic adage of a poor craftsman blames his tools definitely applies here

Warning

Just another elitest thread reminding everyone who's not strictly vinyl, just how much they suck.

Many of them are not strictly vinyl either they think that serato actually is vinyl (some even thinking it somehow magically makes an mp3 sound like a vinyl) play the few unreleased tunes they can get their hands on thru serato and still try the vinyl guilt trip routine. Where these guys getting sent some decent dubs most of them would be using mainly serato not cutting plates, for the large part the only difference between producer djs playing mainly digital sets and bedroom djs playing mainly vinyl sets is one has a good amount of fresh tunes to play and the other doesn't. You guys can pat yourselves on the back for buying records and supporting the industry but having a bag full of the same records as the next dj aint anything to be that smug about.

rob sparx wrote:at the end of the day the music is whats important not the format.

i swear rob sparx only ever posts in these vinyl vs digital threads....

charliefoy wrote:

rob sparx wrote:at the end of the day the music is whats important not the format.

That's exactly why I prefer vinyl

bit of both,

couple dubplates - vinyl
couple fresh releases - vinyl
loads of dubs - digital

mashmash wrote:i swear rob sparx only ever posts in these vinyl vs digital threads....

Hopefully had so many now that mods will lock down any new ones and I won't have to keep repeating myself

Gets boring in the studio sometimes writers block and all that coming on here and having a good moan once in a while breaks things up a bit (sorry badger!)

Posting clips of a ton of new beats and a fresh mix on here very soon anyway....

rob sparx wrote:coming on here and having a good moan once in a while breaks things up a bit (sorry badger!)

been a while since i've had a rob sparx drama thread to deal with. almost feels like something's missing

badger wrote:

rob sparx wrote:coming on here and having a good moan once in a while breaks things up a bit (sorry badger!)

been a while since i've had a rob sparx drama thread to deal with. almost feels like something's missing

Quick, somebody tell him he's biting everyone's production style!

Use a mix of both, especially when on 3 decks.

Yea nice reply Badger I agree. I couldn’t give a shit what fresh ‘dubs’ (even though they aren’t even dubs, just 0’s & 1’s, unless you have actually got it cut) you have got, the more obscure the tune the better.

If you listen to ‘Bruk’ on sub.fm (elgato etc), on first listen you would think all they play is dubs, they don’t, 99% of the tracks are released. They are just quality crate diggers with good ear’s for what would work well in their set’s.

Mind you everyone always goes on about the digital sound vs the vinyl sound, and I can honestly say that 2/3 tunes I can’t hear the difference on. Anyone who say's they hear the difference ALL THE TIME and hate digital is lying. Each to their own beliefs etc, but dont be ridiculous, if Mud (for e.g) gets played at a d rave, whether it's on mp3, dub, vinyl or off a fucking minidisc, it will fuck up the dance. You can’t roll a joint on a download, I get that, it’s just a lot easier to carry a mac and SL3 to a show rather than a bag full of 12”s.

I’ve only just switched to digital after deciding it would be a more cost effective way of DJ’ing, as the dub’s I were cutting were either a. being released or b. not coming around quick enough. Also aswell without knowing the producer you have got the ‘dub’ from (mp3) its rather hard to get the ‘dub’ in lossless (wav) format to actually cut the fucker (takes ages to export, they don’t like you that much, whatever)

But as Badger previously stated, the whole vinyl/acetate package is so much nicer, like, having artwork as brilliant as skull disco in your possession makes you want to ditch the 12” and stick the sleeve up on your wall lol. And another point in defence of vinyl is that half the old garage/house records I have acquired through discog’s recently will never be sold on mp3, so yea, at the moment I sort of work on the basis of vinyl for classic’s/old/obscure/not on 320 mp3 shit and Serato 4 the new shit. And if, like me, you are lucky enough to own SL3 then it’s one less lead to plug in and you can still switch to either.

So to sum up, I use both and respect both equally.

Agree also with clubs needing to service their set-up’s. Should be fundamental.