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legend4ry wrote:

Erebus-7 wrote:

amphibian wrote:

JFK wrote:I think what Ledge was getting at mate is the fact that EVERY topic on this board seems to relate to technical discussions of varying degrees. Where as there are literally none relating to the more artistic side of production.

The technical topics are not boring in themselves but when they are the sole source of discussion it does get a little bit dull.

Without meaning to sound wanky, we are artists and our art is comprised of more elements than endless discussions about VST's and brickwall limiting.

That's because art, like spirituality - is entirely subjective (apart from techniques used), and so discussions on such things is pointless.

"I like datsik."

"omg newb."

Case in point.

I have to completely disagree with you on that. Not all discussion has to come down to your given example, subjective discussion is what gives people new perspectives and helps develop there own ways of doing things. People don't just settle on there own way of doing things purely on there own, it's through an internal discussion about what they experience in life, and doing that sort of thing on a forum just helps to that and gives people a chance to experience different views points that they may never have elsewhere.

Gawd blimey! Someone understands!

so tell me how do we have these discussions on our daily life experiences and still keep the board on topic?

Sorry but this IS a 'production' forum. If we as engineers or producers can't be technical then what is the point. Its all good with things being 'deep' and 'fat' and 'warm' but without technical know-how and err, technique itself ?, whats the point?

MikkiFunk wrote:Sorry but this IS a 'production' forum. If we as engineers or producers can't be technical then what is the point. Its all good with things being 'deep' and 'fat' and 'warm' but without technical know-how and err, technique itself ?, whats the point?

Lmfao, deep, fat, and warm are not what make things deep. This is lolz.

Artistic passion is, and I understand totally that legend4ry wants to talk about inpiration, life experiences, inner thoughts, ect. Hell, if as close to emotion as you get is making a sound fat and warm, you could proably do with reading this thread. The general consensus though, is that the topic title threw me off and I started a DSF signature style shitstorm debate.

Can someone teach me how to make teh Datsik?

hakka wrote:Can someone teach me how to make teh Skrillex?

Fixed

Basic A wrote: This is lolz.

stop talking

talking from your keyboard, typing*

legend4ry wrote:It just frustrating, it seems like this whole genre consists of getting perfectly engineered track and no on really seems to want to be an artist, just someone who constructs beats and it doesn't go any further than that. I really couldn't give a damn about how to use effects or make sounds. I thought it'll be nice to see if people actually care about what they write not care about what they've wrote sounds like. Yet only a couple of people seem like this and I guess i'll stop posting so much and just mod.



Read this.

http://www.one11bpm.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=301

As far as I'm concerned, the technical stuff is only a means to make the art better and faster, not an end in itself. A good song with poor production is still good, but a technically sound track with no art to it is nothing

Lmfao, deep, fat, and warm are not what make things deep. This is lolz.

Wtf'? Who the hell still says 'this is lolz', what are you, a 15 year old teenage girl?! More to the point, what you just said is not even close to what I said, you must have read that sentence twice and somehow left out 'fat' and 'warm' the 2nd time haha. I was simply making a point that without things being technical there is no point as being technical is one of the core points of sound engineering or producing.

Yes obviously you need emotion, experiences, influences, inspiration etc to make a good track, but you need the technical know how to mix it too. A mix engineer can mix someone else's 'technically badly mixed' (but 'good') track, whereas someone who made it who might not have those mix skills will never get any further than mixing it badly. Obviously they can always learn, but then they would have to get 'technical' (Dun dun dunnnn/ shock horror!!)

Hell, if as close to emotion as you get is making a sound fat and warm, you could proably do with reading this thread

I'm guessing this is you implying that I couldn't make a track with any emotion in it. Lol, thats kool, you only really have to listen to my EP to hear how much I obviously have a love for that oldskool sound. Considering most of the tunes that inspire me for that sound are actually almost as old as me if not older. Or any of my other tunes lol. Depends what mood I'm in. Dark deep 2Step, rough 4x4 oldskool style, uplifting house, deep house, whatever its what Im feeling when I make it

Everyones taking it from one extreme to another.

I'm speaking of perfect harmony.

Yes this may be a production forum but i'm sure a lot of people considering them self more of an artist than an engineer (like myself) I am not a huge fan of chasing the dream to make perfectly produced music or the perfect mix down - I am more about conveying myself into my music. Bouncing off experiences as people and relating that to our art is something what has always fascinated me. I look at a piece of art, read some poetry or listen to a piece of music and I think about how the artist must of been feeling or I like finding out what processes they went through. For instance hearing a demo of one of your favorite songs by someone you appreciate and hearing its totally different to the professionally produced, mixed and mastered version is amazing!

I just wished people would take a step back and appreciate what they've done and speak about it, have some in depth conversations about artistic expression and progression of an idea as well as having threads on.. As Basic A said, how to properly use chorus. I'm in no rush to learn new stuff and I think its a damn shame a lot of people are!

Oh and for the record - can everyone stop assuming deeper dubstep or "oldschool" dubstep instantly means emotion - theres bare aggressive, hard tunes what obviously portray emotion too, no matter what you write, even its a just a bell-pad pressing 1 note very 8 bars, it still has some relevance to emotion and artist expression - if you look hard enough! Am I the only person who went to art school here?

Yeah you are the only one. We are obviously not worthy!

i followed all the advice given to me to make that dirty nasty bit crushed whatever it is skrillex bassline.... can someone please halp me? thx in advance



(JOKE if you didn't get it)

art school ewww
the only worthwhile thing i ever got from art/music classes was techniques and history
never anything that lent in the least bit to the non technical side to my painting, drawing, sculpture, comp work, or music
like i said before you can teach techniques as they are tangible
emotions and motivations behind something you can't as it's internal and varies person to person and if you think you can that's just pretentious

legend4ry wrote:have some in depth conversations about artistic expression and progression of an idea as well as having threads on.. As Basic A said, how to properly use chorus

homie: the interwebz is just not the right tool for this. It's a great place for kids to learn how to assign X to Y, but talking about creation-- really, that's an in-person thing.

in this case, i suggest the let-the-chips-fall-as-they-may course of action.

Sharmaji wrote:

legend4ry wrote:have some in depth conversations about artistic expression and progression of an idea as well as having threads on.. As Basic A said, how to properly use chorus

homie: the interwebz is just not the right tool for this. It's a great place for kids to learn how to assign X to Y, but talking about creation-- really, that's an in-person thing.

in this case, i suggest the let-the-chips-fall-as-they-may course of action.

bingo
hell a 10 min conversation with an artist after a set will yield more info half the time than a q&a or interview online

deadly habit wrote:art school ewww
the only worthwhile thing i ever got from art/music classes was techniques and history
never anything that lent in the least bit to the non technical side to my painting, drawing, sculpture, comp work, or music
like i said before you can teach techniques as they are tangible
emotions and motivations behind something you can't as it's internal and varies person to person and if you think you can that's just pretentious

Well, during my long education in Art - We was eventually left to question everything we did, on a total bare bone level, asking yourself in the very blunt question of .. "is what I am doing making sense?" Its more about getting into that mindset where yes, you let yourself run free but just like The Oblique Strategies you should never lose focus of what you first set out to do and give yourself some sort of restraint what can be slightly bended depending on the circumstances.

I think its important as a person in every day life to accept the fact sometimes we drift off onto slightly different paths to what we set out on but funder mentally ending up being where you wanted to be, this can be easily adapted to whatever creative process you set out to do.

Personally, writing music to me is just as much as about what it sounds as making sure your mind, heart, body and soul is in there too, even if everything is hidden! If you listen to a track you made what took you months to finish, you will obviously feel sense of struggle, determination, perfectionism and eventually gratification! I honestly think the way I was taught to see the world, through the means of an Art education is one of the most beautiful things, ever and has made me appreciate my music (as well as my life) more than I ever could of without it!

I am more passionate about this than I ever will be able music theory, crafting sounds or using my effects properly - I was just hoping there was an audience on this forum to listen and maybe feel the same way.

Sorry if I rubbed anyone up the wrong way but when you're surrounded by people who don't think like you in your "real life" sometimes you go to some extremes to get a reaction out of people. .


P.S - yes you can't teach someone what you said but you suggest ways for them to think - to maybe open their minds to make them a more open minded musician and do new and unique things due to thought processes (well, you'll be more open to try something you haven't before one would assume), more than trial and error! I guess we all approach our crafts in different ways, I guess I stand very very very far left to the canvas.

Erebus-7 wrote:I have to completely disagree with you on that. Not all discussion has to come down to your given example, subjective discussion is what gives people new perspectives and helps develop there own ways of doing things. People don't just settle on there own way of doing things purely on there own, it's through an internal discussion about what they experience in life, and doing that sort of thing on a forum just helps to that and gives people a chance to experience different views points that they may never have elsewhere.

Exactly which point are you disagreeing with? I think I should have worded "completely pointless" better - as that's not entirely true, and I agree with you that there are benefits to subjective discussion (it's also the most heated ).

deadly habit wrote:art school ewww
the only worthwhile thing i ever got from art/music classes was techniques and history
never anything that lent in the least bit to the non technical side to my painting, drawing, sculpture, comp work, or music
like i said before you can teach techniques as they are tangible
emotions and motivations behind something you can't as it's internal and varies person to person and if you think you can that's just pretentious

you can lead a horse to water...