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Can someone please explain to me the logic of rinsing tunes out for half a year, nearly bringing people to the point where they are tired of hearing them, only to THEN release the track for sale?

There needs to be a max 60 day life cycle of dubplate -> release (if there is one). In the age of the Internet with mixes it just doesn't make sense to hold onto these tracks for this long.

I was getting tired of "Sexual" by August. March release? Nuts.

Skullbussa wrote:Can someone please explain to me the logic of rinsing tunes out for half a year, nearly bringing people to the point where they are tired of hearing them, only to THEN release the track for sale?

There needs to be a max 60 day life cycle of dubplate -> release (if there is one). In the age of the Internet with mixes it just doesn't make sense to hold onto these tracks for this long.

I was getting tired of "Sexual" by August. March release? Nuts.

I feel you but at the same time I don't think this should apply to every dubplate. I like that some tunes by Mala, Krome, Loe, Coki, Skream, Pinch and few others stay on dubs for ages cause it makes the tunes even more special. On the other hand tho, there are many tunes that I'd definitely spin if I had the dubplate but after months of hearing them in other mixes I'm not interested in buying the record anymore when it hits the shelves. So yeah for me it's a 30/70 situation, 70% being the tunes that I d like to be released sooner. Depends both on the tunes and the producer of course, but in overall you have a point there..

Dubplate culture isn't for everyone. I've noticed it really pisses off the enititled generation who want everything now and have the attention span of 2 year olds. I still play tunes that are decades old myself... Meh

If your bored of it when it comes out was it really worth having in the first place?!

Hundreds of records out there I could hear thousands of times and not get bored of buy one of them instead!

well that's not exactly what I meant but anyway..

I got a large reggae vinyl collection with most tunes over 15years old now & I don't complain about them being old..
I understand everything about dubplate culture and I get my dubs cut in the UK, my point was that when some tunes are rinsed that much in sets and on the internet as dubs then what's the point of buying them if you aint gonna spin them? it seems to me like a fresh release is not that fresh cause I ve heard it 1000 times on rinse, sub, sonic rooter, fact, xlr8r,rbma, whatever...

for example when I first heard Badman on the Kryptic Minds studio mix I was so impressed. Since the tune came out I ve only played it once in a set.. Same with Together.. and same will happen for me with Time Flies for example.. I was so impressed when I heard it on utube @ dubwar last year but I'm sure I won't be spinning it in april when the album drops.. Same thing with 1/2 of the tunes Youngsta is spinning for more than a year.. Don't get me wrong, I still rate the tunes but they lose some of the freshness after a year or more..

On the other hand tunes like Venus Project, Dedale, Dumbshit and to be honest every piece of vinyl I buy nowdays I keep in my bag cause it hasn't been rinsed in a massive scale all over the world for a year or more before I get the chance to spin it myself..

Please understand that this is coming from a dj's perspective and not from a listener's only. If I didn't dj I would only buy LPs as there are so many good mixes on the internet that I think wouldn't care to buy 12s

The only dubs I love so much and don't care if they get released are Mala dubs.. But that's the exception..

Sorry for the long post & hope it makes some sense.. happy new year!

*EDIT - I'd buy EVERY Loefah tune even if it's 6 years old

fractal wrote:Dubplate culture isn't for everyone. I've noticed it really pisses off the enititled generation who want everything now and have the attention span of 2 year olds. I still play tunes that are decades old myself... Meh

Glad someone said it Fractal!

I personally like dubplate culture, I think it if everything were released at the same time it'd be boring.

Word

shankstep wrote:

fractal wrote:Dubplate culture isn't for everyone. I've noticed it really pisses off the enititled generation who want everything now and have the attention span of 2 year olds. I still play tunes that are decades old myself... Meh

Glad someone said it Fractal!

I personally like dubplate culture, I think it if everything were released at the same time it'd be boring.

even if you do feel like they've been rinsed too much, give it a year or two and people will enjoy hearing it again. there's nothing better than hearing a track in a set which you know like the back of your hand but haven't heard in a while. my thinkin is that playing older tunes from your collection on the regular makes you way more unpredictable and interesting as a dj anyway. so buying these rinsed tunes is still gonna be a good investment for the future even if you're not playing them that much on release.

Can see what a lot of you are saying, but music is historical. I tend to listen to music from the 1960's onwards because anything before that throws light on a world which isn't usually relevant to me (perhaps I'd listen to music from the 30's and 40's to get into the shoes of those who lived throughout WW2, and so it would in that case become relevant). Yet even when I listen to the Rolling Stones or something I can only catch a shimmer of what those songs must have meant at the time. Gimme Shelter would have been so impactful during the Vietnam war era, and when thinking about the significance of that time it can perhaps bring us a bit closer to it.

But we weren't there, and we'll never get to touch it in its rawness.

Now it's certainly not been long enough for it to no longer be intelligible, but as time passes a part of the meaning of the tune becomes obscured and inaccessible. And I'm not just talking about the political climate either, I mean the historical understanding which imbues our whole way of going about our lives. The understanding which generates movements and concepts and ideas in all of our ways of being (be that music, philosophy, the natural sciences, economics, whatever) which all have their place in time.

There are undoubtedly "timeless songs" which reach through the years from some time past. The first one which springs to mind is Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" - a song which, despite its age, can still touch us as it makes its impression upon something more original, something we all still feel. But even so, eventually how this phenomenon is presented to us will become archaic and difficult to appreciate. Obscured under years and years of change in signification.

On the other hand, this modern music we're all here for exhudes "todayness". Every tune is made in a historical nexus. While it's true that there hasn't been much significant change in this nexus since dubstep came together as a recognisable phenomenon, nonetheless life is moving all the time and so it's great to make contact at the nerve centre (at which it must be said there's no better place than seeing people play out) when the music is closest to its relevance. Comparing these tunes to ones made in the 90's is perhaps a bit of a false syllogism.

Dubstep, for me, is testement to the zeitgeist of the last decade - it came out of it, it inheres in it, and it will pass with it. This particular sound will too become archaic and difficult to appreciate, a part of it lost in time and inacessible. I wouldn't be so quick to rise against people who feel like they want it when it's closest. We are, all of us, digging the rays and so it's natural to want to appreciate the sun while it's still in the sky

Preach!



If dubplates were put on the shelves as they were made, we'd have a vinyl collection of which 60% we get bored of and the other 40% we love
Labels taking a long time to release is good, cause after 6/7 months for something to release, and you buy it when it drops, means you've got a real lover sitting on your shelf.

SWAMP 81 is the best label in town. FACT.
big up the S81 crew. keeping it real and choosing quality over quantity.
Boom.

check it out the jerk: http://soundcloud.com/thejerkman

fractal wrote:Dubplate culture isn't for everyone. I've noticed it really pisses off the enititled generation who want everything now and have the attention span of 2 year olds. I still play tunes that are decades old myself... Meh

this

playing old tunes imo is fookin fine and dandy...none of this "ah mans playin old stuff, we want fresh new bits only" yea new tunes are nice when a new tune u aint heard catches u off guard n u get that awsome "WOT THE FUNK IS THIS" moment its the 1! but if u play a ridonkulous banger from way back nostalgia crew are on it and the new heads get educated...cant go wrong man...

loefah wrote:hi

swamp008 will be out on the 1st of feb 2011

if possible, we will be releasing every 3 weeks after that.

I am a bit slow

keep calm

carry on

x

LEGEND. BIG UP LOEFAH

What's the deal?

You know about the deal?

Blawan EP?
:shock:

incnic wrote:Blawan EP?
:shock:

huh? what? someone say Blawan EP? where?

cosmic surgeon wrote:Can see what a lot of you are saying, but music is historical. I tend to listen to music from the 1960's onwards because anything before that throws light on a world which isn't usually relevant to me (perhaps I'd listen to music from the 30's and 40's to get into the shoes of those who lived throughout WW2, and so it would in that case become relevant). Yet even when I listen to the Rolling Stones or something I can only catch a shimmer of what those songs must have meant at the time. Gimme Shelter would have been so impactful during the Vietnam war era, and when thinking about the significance of that time it can perhaps bring us a bit closer to it.

But we weren't there, and we'll never get to touch it in its rawness.

Now it's certainly not been long enough for it to no longer be intelligible, but as time passes a part of the meaning of the tune becomes obscured and inaccessible. And I'm not just talking about the political climate either, I mean the historical understanding which imbues our whole way of going about our lives. The understanding which generates movements and concepts and ideas in all of our ways of being (be that music, philosophy, the natural sciences, economics, whatever) which all have their place in time.

There are undoubtedly "timeless songs" which reach through the years from some time past. The first one which springs to mind is Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" - a song which, despite its age, can still touch us as it makes its impression upon something more original, something we all still feel. But even so, eventually how this phenomenon is presented to us will become archaic and difficult to appreciate. Obscured under years and years of change in signification.

On the other hand, this modern music we're all here for exhudes "todayness". Every tune is made in a historical nexus. While it's true that there hasn't been much significant change in this nexus since dubstep came together as a recognisable phenomenon, nonetheless life is moving all the time and so it's great to make contact at the nerve centre (at which it must be said there's no better place than seeing people play out) when the music is closest to its relevance. Comparing these tunes to ones made in the 90's is perhaps a bit of a false syllogism.

Dubstep, for me, is testement to the zeitgeist of the last decade - it came out of it, it inheres in it, and it will pass with it. This particular sound will too become archaic and difficult to appreciate, a part of it lost in time and inacessible. I wouldn't be so quick to rise against people who feel like they want it when it's closest. We are, all of us, digging the rays and so it's natural to want to appreciate the sun while it's still in the sky

seen, nice post

Swamp 10 to 15 were mastered today according to Loefah's Twitter. sick.

I think this is some of what's coming, anyone else know the rest? (FunkBias "Live Forever", Zed Bias "Stubborn Phase", Boddika "Basement"....?)

09: Addison Groove: Sexual / Work It
10: Falty DL: Mean Streets Pt. 1
11: Boddika EP (2727, Rubba, Sometimes, Soul What)

$$$$ ££££

TAKE ALL MY MONEY LOEFAH

TAKE IT

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