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pkay wrote:

epochalypso wrote:I resent any sort of Current Value/Brostep comparison. Mr Eliot is a sound design genius.

GOOD DAY TO YOU.

not comparing them just citing where influence came from in relation to the time when dubstep became popular

and let's not get carried away with calling current value genius.

Current Value is a genius in production terms, his music is definately an aquired taste though! Not saying they sound alike but Current Value's music and Brostep (by that I mean ultra spazzy robo/metal step NOT anything filthy) are both ideal for torture 24hrs of either and you would probably have lost all grasp of reality

i say fuck ur sub genres its all dubstep.

that's the question ain't it? if it's no longer sub based, is it still dubstep? not to a lot of people....

who can say?

some brostep tunes arnt that bad tbh, but their is definatly stuff thats gone way too far

it has to have something to do with the sound system too. like if youre listening on a laptop or shit iPod headphones, you dont get that sub or the big bass that it some tracks (Midnight Request Line, off the top of my head) wont have if played on shit sound. however you do get the big high energy drop and whatever various noises are in some "brostep" tracks in any sound set up so people who dont know that Dubstep is heavy on the sub will tend to go for that style before a Digital Mystikz track

fractal wrote:that's the question ain't it? if it's no longer sub based, is it still dubstep? not to a lot of people....

who can say?

the way i see it bro and my opinion may differ to alotta you is yes.
of course it's still dubstep
i think the ting about dubstep that no one seems to fuckin get is that this whole genre itself was built upon many sub genres.... funk reggae metal.... you name it
you hear it in dubstep

there is no such thing as bro step jump up or any of that bullshit
the line i believe is drawn between d&b and dubstep

d&b having complex drum patterns
dubstep having wild out basslines (distored or not) it's still bass am i correct?

fractal wrote:that's the question ain't it? if it's no longer sub based, is it still dubstep? not to a lot of people....

who can say?

Noone now. its too big.
sure maybe when all the hype dies down, some of the OG producers/djs can layout somewhat of a guide to what is expected of 'dubstep'.
but unfortunatly business guys like MTV n MOS have far to much of a say, and the countless numbers of people who dont look beneath the surface of whats offered on commercial radio or tv, believe every single word they speak.

sad really, as personaly i consider 'dubstep' to be sub bass oriented music, but judging by the way its going at the moment, i think its just going to continue spiraling into the maelstrom (which isnt a bad thing i guess, just opens my horizon to new and [hopefully]better things)

rob sparx wrote:

pkay wrote:

epochalypso wrote:I resent any sort of Current Value/Brostep comparison. Mr Eliot is a sound design genius.

GOOD DAY TO YOU.

not comparing them just citing where influence came from in relation to the time when dubstep became popular

and let's not get carried away with calling current value genius.

Current Value is a genius in production terms, his music is definately an aquired taste though! Not saying they sound alike but Current Value's music and Brostep (by that I mean ultra spazzy robo/metal step NOT anything filthy) are both ideal for torture 24hrs of either and you would probably have lost all grasp of reality

Genius is a bit thrown around these days. Dom is a genius. Current Value is just a really talented producer

I think there is now two styles of brostep tbh. Cockney thug etc still had a large amount more musicality than a lot of the newer stuff which is literally random noises put together. Thats the stuff I dont like.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet but I think you can attribute some of the rise of fucking brostep to poor speakers/laptop speakers.

Take this scenario though:

Kid sat at home sees the word dubstep, goes onto youtube and types it in. First few tracks that come up are the generic brostep shit, he listens to it on his poor speakers or laptop and the music doesn't sound too bad because its all mid range and high range garbage for the most part.
He goes further and checks out some proper sub bass music... It sounds shit and doesn't work on his speakers, and thus he decides he likes dubstep and continues to listen/search/promote brostep.

The first song I think I ever really heard was cockney violin, admittedly its not the best example of bass music, but I heard it on a good system with a fat sub. The bass is the first thing that caught my ears and it inspired me to look for more.

Extreemes of music all night long (Luthor Vandross style) become sausage fests that goes for brostep or moody subby purist music both men only

A lot of hot air/exaggerations on here about the about state of things in the UK, most of what ive seen from bigger dubstep nights has been music that leans towards the filthy/hype side but with other styles of dubstep as well, mixed crowds (a few more men but hardly a sausage fest) and ppl getting a bit carried away to the music but NOT moshing. From what ive heard about many nights in US/CA they may have a bro problem over there but many UK moaners are just bitter about "their" music going mainstream jumping on someone elses hate bandwagon

Rob you may be right, but it depends on the night, venue, etc.
21+ is the way forward.

rob sparx thats bollocks. Brostep isn't more mainstream at all it's infact less inclusive. I Need Air and Katy On A Mission is mainstream. Getting in the charts is actually mainstream. Getting a million hits on youtube from North American 16-25 aged males is just a heavily internet driven fad. It's bad for the usual elements of the genre because now based on internet searches tons of people are immediately put off by the genre and already have 'dubstep' in their minds as just crap sounding noise, along with drum n bass which a lot of people immediately think of as jump-up wobble shit in both the UK and US.

There's plenty of tracks which would satisfy both audiences imo such as Joker who has 'hard' bass mixed with some actual interesting melodies and sounds. His mixes have a good mix of vocal, hard and melodic tunes too.

skanky wrote:There is no-one to blame really, this was always going to happen. This whole 'brostep" thing is really starting to do my head in because it seems that most of the tracks are just a terribly produced regurgitation of what excision & datsik have going on, yet it somehow manages to become so popular that when you search dubstep on youtube mt eden comes up

I FUCKING LOVE MT EDEN

almost every person ive showed dubstep too liked what i was playing for them

most of those people had only been fed skrillex/datsik type stuff

then when i showed them some sex step mala- alicia

or some fresh guido and james blake, they loved it

its all about exposure really

ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE STATES WHO LISTENS TO SKRILLEX HASN'T HEARD OF DMZ

see the problem with that?

rinseballs21 wrote: ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE STATES WHO LISTENS TO SKRILLEX HASN'T HEARD OF DMZ

see the problem with that?

yea but everyone knows deadmau5.... and his marketing team is one of the best in world, seriously.

rinseballs21 wrote:
ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE STATES WHO LISTENS TO SKRILLEX HASN'T HEARD OF DMZ

see the problem with that?

You probably couldn't name a fraction of the people who influenced DMZ.

see the problem with that?

this elitest shit needs to go. there's no test you have to pass to enjoy music.

You should only have a problem with bandwagon jumpers if you, yourself are on the bandwagon.

Food for thought.


let people enjoy music

pkay wrote:there's no test you have to pass to enjoy music.

Well yeah, that is quite evident.

pkay wrote:

rinseballs21 wrote:
ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE STATES WHO LISTENS TO SKRILLEX HASN'T HEARD OF DMZ

see the problem with that?

You probably couldn't name a fraction of the people who influenced DMZ.

see the problem with that?

this elitest shit needs to go. there's no test you have to pass to enjoy music.

im not acting elitist, im just proving a point, many parts of the US have a different idea of what dubstep is

im not talking about a test or anything like that, im just showing how the exposure is placed in the US. for whatever reason people in the states have a much better chance of stumbling upon datsik and skrillex rather than loefah and other UK artists pushing the roots of dubstep

what im getting at is, if you were to show the teenagers dubstep by mala and others in proper context (big sound system) before they listened to skrillex lets say, theirs a much better chance that the sub heavy sound would be much more popular than it is now in the US.

it also doesn't help that a producer cashing in on the sound, being signed to mau5trap, and getting production tips from noisia is blowing up

the sub heavy sound isn't growing as fast over here because the market is overtaken by the aggy side of things because its POPULAR

hopefully the insane lineup at coachella shows people a thing or two about where dubstep is really heading.