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zerbaman wrote:

noam wrote:

magma wrote:
Although no other animal is able to assess the morality of eating another life, they are equally unable to sit back and marvel at the glory of the world, decide to protect it or even contemplate the balance of nature... animals don't live in some sacred natural harmony, as hippies would have you believe... in fact, they're far less considerate than the average human. We're incredibly nice compared to almost everything else on the planet because of our empathetic brains (it allows us to be cruel too, but not as often)... nothing else even thinks about considering these things... we tear ourselves apart over them!

i agree with a lot of what you're saying

but applying human values like morality to how animals behave is pointless, you dont understand their psyche

To be fair neither do you. And you say their as if they're identical copies of eachother. All animals are individuals and have their own working brains etc.

The fact is, nature works this way. He who dominates isn't made prey. I'd rather me over a fucking chicken.

you're trying to hard to find something to argue with me about, i didn't say anything about ME understanding their psyche

read again, see if there's something genuinely wrong with what i said

noam wrote:

zerbaman wrote:

noam wrote:

magma wrote:
Although no other animal is able to assess the morality of eating another life, they are equally unable to sit back and marvel at the glory of the world, decide to protect it or even contemplate the balance of nature... animals don't live in some sacred natural harmony, as hippies would have you believe... in fact, they're far less considerate than the average human. We're incredibly nice compared to almost everything else on the planet because of our empathetic brains (it allows us to be cruel too, but not as often)... nothing else even thinks about considering these things... we tear ourselves apart over them!

i agree with a lot of what you're saying

but applying human values like morality to how animals behave is pointless, you dont understand their psyche

To be fair neither do you. And you say their as if they're identical copies of eachother. All animals are individuals and have their own working brains etc.

The fact is, nature works this way. He who dominates isn't made prey. I'd rather me over a fucking chicken.

you're trying to hard to find something to argue with me about, i didn't say anything about ME understanding their psyche

read again, see if there's something genuinely wrong with what i said

I don't want to argue. I'm just saying, you know as much about what goes on in an animal's head as anyone else does. Then I broke down what I believe to be the case.

Don't get me wrong, I likes me some meat.

yeah but both points have nothing to do with what i said

noam wrote:referring to their behaviour regarding each other doesn't give license for us to discount our own value-systems in favour of copying what we assume to be their value-systems

im a massive meat-eater btw, but i believe animals should be given rights and proper treatment because we are able to provide that

soz to buzzkill

Not a buzzkill to disagree with something!

I think we pretty much agree on the endgame anyway... I don't like to see animals treated unnecessarily badly; I just have no problem with them being kept penned and killed when they're ready to eat. I do have enormous problems with a lot of farming techniques, but I think reform is the answer rather than mass vegetarianism.

You're bang on that we don't understand animal psyches, but we have been studying our farm animals for around 10,000 years and we know an awful lot about how to keep them... for instance, although I hate the idea of intensive battery farming for chickens, I do understand why they're more suitable for it than other birds would be... I still don't agree with it, I always go free range or better, but these aren't random wild animals we picked - there are under 10 species in the entire world that humans have successfully domesticated because most just aren't suitable for it... keeping chickens in a run is not comparable to snatching a bear from the wild, beating it and keeping it in shackles to make it dance.

Anyway... hometime... PEACE

cool man

noam wrote:yeah but both points have nothing to do with what i said

Then why do you feel like I'm arguing?

good god... this rat milk is battery farmed

zerbaman wrote:

noam wrote:yeah but both points have nothing to do with what i said

Then why do you feel like I'm arguing?

cos you quoted me and made an attempt to critique my argument

what i am saying, is that when you did that, you missed the point of my argument and showed that by assuming i said something i didn't

then you replied again... arguing that you weren't arguing with me

and then you replied again, saying the same thing



safe

noam wrote:

zerbaman wrote:

noam wrote:yeah but both points have nothing to do with what i said

Then why do you feel like I'm arguing?

cos you quoted me and made an attempt to critique my argument

what i am saying, is that when you did that, you missed the point of my argument and showed that by assuming i said something i didn't

then you replied again... arguing that you weren't arguing with me

and then you replied again, saying the same thing



safe

I feel like I'm being accused of intending to do shit I didn't intend to do

Good day sir

Electric_Head wrote:

overbeb wrote:This is why I hunt. I know exactly where my burger came from. lol.

Which is worse? killing off animals yourself or buying them once they`re dead?
But wait, you do it in a humane manner with a rifle that has a high powered scope.
That`s fair right?

Why not give the deer a fighting chance and let him take a few swings at you first before you blow his face off.

Slaughterhouses are no better than recreational hunters I`m afraid.
It`s your choice, don`t get me wrong.
You ever thought about coming to South Africa and killing a doped up lion?

Actually I hunt deer with both a compound bow and shotgun. I don't use high powered rifles that can take out a deer from a mile. That just takes all the sport out of it. At least the deer that I kill got to live out in the wild during their lives. just saying.

Cue that Twilight Zone episode ''To Serve Man''.