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ultraspatial wrote: There's some stuff I like (Apple Pips, DecaRhythm, Ikonika, LV, DjRum, Livity, Trevino etc), a lot I don't. I just don't get the sudden appeal of these 2-3 decade old styles (or any sort of "revival" for that matter). What's next? Gabba and happy hardcore?

just had to chime in to say apple pips is so underrated

although i don't think that music doesn't always have to be totally forward thinking. i like some of the revival stuff coming from the 'bass scene' almost or just as much as the earlier stuff it borrows from and sometimes when i hear people saying 'glut/sicko cell/ellipsis/insert another popular revival tune here is rubbish cause its just like an older style' a lot of people like the tunes simply cause they're good tracks that weren't overplayed or were quite unique when they came out. wormhole earlier pointed out that a lot of acid/house/techno hasn't changed in years but there are still good tunes being made and people still like the tunes even if they aren't always trailblazing. my main beef is when people start bandwagoning like crazy, sounds become utterly played out and then everyone drops the style and starts copying the new cool thing. often it seems in the 'bass scene' i don't think the producers that introduce the sounds mean to create tired trends, but thats ends up happening when too many people start copying them. i dunno if what i just wrote made any sense

i think something new will eventually come along eventually anyway as per usual.

wut was a breath of fresh air for me... but that could be because i enjoy the rehashing and reworking of styles from the past

but i feel you, the amount of samey tunes that followed were too much too much too much too much


it's far worse hearing people talk about "trap" like it hasn't been around for over two decades... people love micro genres and love to wallow in them

ultraspatial wrote:The blow was all the major tastemakers claiming dubstep's dead (pretty much like they did with dnb). Followed by mass bandwagoning of a lot of big producers and labels. Dubstep was doing just fine before all these people started acting like they were never part of it.

This is a very good point, especially those act like "dubstep" is a dirty word, and didn't, for many of them, make their reputations, get them in the position to play at different nights world wide for a lot of money, put their labels as some of the biggest in underground dance and make them thousands of fans that will more than help pay the bills.

I'm all for people exploring techno and house, they're almost bottomless genres that I couldn't comprehend even 10% of yet, but there's people now acting like they've been following it since the 80's, when they probably went from "medi weight for the heads" to "i only listen to techno" when they first heard Swims.

I wonder what Zomby would have to say in this thread if he was still around on this forum.

...so it's not brostep anymore?

garethom wrote:I'm all for people exploring techno and house, they're almost bottomless genres that I couldn't comprehend even 10% of yet, but there's people now acting like they've been following it since the 80's, when they probably went from "medi weight for the heads" to "i only listen to techno" when they first heard Swims.

exactly and people aren't exploring it enough imo, they're bandwagon jumping! as much as i love the bass stuff - the scene ignores massive parts of house and techno that are really good. i just posted a 'underrated house and techno' thread in the house forum for people to post stuff they think others starting out haven't heard to show them what they are missing. probably a stupid idea but i dunno lol...

really though, "a shotgun blast to the kneecap"
can't you think of it more as a stubbed toe, or a sprained ankle or something?

Soiree wrote:really though, "a shotgun blast to the kneecap"
can't you think of it more as a stubbed toe, or a sprained ankle or something?

its called hyperbole

I just feel like there's SO much more to dubstep that hasn't been discovered or experimented with yet, and everyone's acting like it's about to end any day, or that that scene is falling apart. Fuck that, it's alive and well, I see great longevity in the future of this genre. To say that a genre that has such small boundaries and such limitless potential is close to being 'over' seems ridiculous to me. I also have a feeling that everyone becoming bored with the genre is in a way, sort of a good thing, because it will spawn new ideas and push the boundaries even further. So for these reasons, I'm incredibly excited and passionate about this music.

This^

more like dubstep took an arrow to the knee. amirite?

skwiggo wrote:

Phigure wrote:

skwiggo wrote:yeah the acid thing is def becoming the new 808

drum machine nerd alert: i've heard 707 sounds in quite a lot of recent bass releases (helix drum track, pearson sound auntie flo remix, loads more just listen to any numbers/hessle rinse podcast). mebbe another new trend?

detroit techno is just getting popular again and it was all about the 707.

yeah thats def true - also noticed older chicago stuff cropping up in folks mixes. chicago stuff like larry heard, adonis and marshall jefferson used to use the 707 a lot as well.

next all the bass producers will be using the linndrum

bitch I use casio drums

Helix [Delay] wrote:

skwiggo wrote:

Phigure wrote:

skwiggo wrote:yeah the acid thing is def becoming the new 808

drum machine nerd alert: i've heard 707 sounds in quite a lot of recent bass releases (helix drum track, pearson sound auntie flo remix, loads more just listen to any numbers/hessle rinse podcast). mebbe another new trend?

detroit techno is just getting popular again and it was all about the 707.

yeah thats def true - also noticed older chicago stuff cropping up in folks mixes. chicago stuff like larry heard, adonis and marshall jefferson used to use the 707 a lot as well.

next all the bass producers will be using the linndrum

bitch I use casio drums

you should use the cr-78 in your next track helix

skwiggo wrote: next all the bass producers will be using the linndrum

In all seriousness this has already happened.

Naan Bread wrote:

skwiggo wrote: next all the bass producers will be using the linndrum

In all seriousness this has already happened.

nooo i'm too late! i wanted to start the linn bass trend

skwiggo wrote:

Helix [Delay] wrote:

skwiggo wrote:

Phigure wrote:

skwiggo wrote:yeah the acid thing is def becoming the new 808

drum machine nerd alert: i've heard 707 sounds in quite a lot of recent bass releases (helix drum track, pearson sound auntie flo remix, loads more just listen to any numbers/hessle rinse podcast). mebbe another new trend?

detroit techno is just getting popular again and it was all about the 707.

yeah thats def true - also noticed older chicago stuff cropping up in folks mixes. chicago stuff like larry heard, adonis and marshall jefferson used to use the 707 a lot as well.

next all the bass producers will be using the linndrum

bitch I use casio drums

you should use the cr-78 in your next track helix

OH FUCK YOU

HOW DID YOU KNOW?

cause its the best drum machine - just ask phil collins

you can make a killer track with nothing but one drum machine




and to that dude ultraspatial:


techno and house haven't been explored to their fullest potential at all


the fact you think 20/30 years is a long time for a genre to exist shows just how little you know








when people are always trying to








"move




forward",







it creates a bizarre void in which certain tastemakers will barely touch upon a tiny facet of a mood/sound/genre/feel and think they know everything about it. everyone else is getting their idea of the mood/sound/genre/feel from these tastemakers, and they're too lazy to ~REALLY dig for new trax/ideas



thusly, these tastemakers' impressions of whatever mood/sound/genre/feel is the main point of reference for many new producers



they're trying







but they're in the 3 foot end of the pool, and not the 12 foot end where the big kids swim






I




know I'm guilty



of hanging around in the 9 foot part of the pool







or one could say I'd rather stick to Basics (Basic Channel)



I prefer restraint with my hedonism and shock


but please





PLEASE









go to your local record store










and listen to every record they have



learn everything










take it all in
























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Dubstep will go the way of grime; everybody was saying how the grime scene was dead a few years ago. Cue the rise of Preditah, Rude Kid, P Money, Marger etc. the "grime wave," is back on. Just calm, good shit will happen in dubstep - it has so much potential still.