I find it much more disrespectful with all the shitty hiphop producers that try to associate their soulless drivel with Dilla by doing tributes all the time. Imagine if there was an actual christian heaven where he had to sit through listening to all that shit .
At least you know that if Aaliyah was standing on a cloud somewhere, she would undoubtedly be on her cell trying to get her manager (back on earth) to make some moves and Drake is hot shit nowadays (emphasis on shit).
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:50 pm
by garethom
fractal wrote:odd that people hate on drake, yet find death grips so enthralling
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:52 pm
by wolf89
fractal wrote:odd that people hate on drake, yet find death grips so enthralling
Because it's not cheesy girly man pop singing over characterless beats?
Not sure where the comparison comes in?
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:00 pm
by fractal
well, to me one is great production paired with a unique style and class.... and the other is death grips
i just find it odd the things that get love and the things that get hate over here, but i forget what it means to be "cool"
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:06 pm
by wolf89
fractal wrote:well, to me one is great production paired with a unique style and class.... and the other is death grips
i just find it odd the things that get love and the things that get hate over here, but i forget what it means to be "cool"
It's nothing to do with being cool for fucks sake. I like Death Grips because they have fucking heavy production and a lot of energy and aggression. It also has it's own character. Drake sounds like straight bland rnb crap (not saying Rnb can't be good but come on Drake rates pretty low). If anything Drake is the pop rap/rnb guy it's cool to like
Not only is death grips' production sick they also have one of the most insane fucking drummers I've heard when they play live. It's the guy from Hella for fuck's sake.
(Though saying that the new death grips album is pretty average compared to there other stuff)
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:13 pm
by fractal
i saw them live @ the crocodile earlier this year... about 20 standing in a room getting yelled at. just sounded like noise to me. maybe i need robot ears
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:17 pm
by wolf89
Maybe you should be approaching it from a Metal side of things.
Also live is very different from their records I mean this isn't really just yelling.
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:18 pm
by fractal
ye, could never get into metal
to each their own, but i definitely don't feel like drakes music is bland. got some of the best producers over here
guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:07 pm
by LACE
ketamine wrote:LACE i am dissapoint
joookes
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:07 pm
by LACE
ketamine wrote:LACE i am dissapoint
joookes
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:42 pm
by garethom
fractal wrote:ye, could never get into metal
to each their own, but i definitely don't feel like drakes music is bland. got some of the best producers over here
guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
SNH REALISES MUSIC IS SUBJECTIVE.
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:34 pm
by fractal
surely we can browbeat everyone into enjoying what we enjoy?
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:39 pm
by wolf89
You're gonna have a hell of a challenge to make me even bear Drake's voice though...
Anyway has any more info come out of this project since the thread started? Seems it's just turned into an argument over which is better death grips or drake. Which is getting a bit dry.
I for one hope Drake & 40 find a way to chop Aaliyah's vocals so it sounds like she's singing A Milli.
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:51 am
by dickman69
garethom wrote:I for one hope Drake & 40 find a way to chop Aaliyah's vocals so it sounds like she's singing A Milli.
oh lawd
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:08 am
by Efrafa11
fractal wrote:odd that people hate on drake, yet find death grips so enthralling
After hearing a few songs by both for the first time, gotta give this one to death grips by miles imo.
In fact I think I got a lot of new music to be rinsing now.
Re: Drake releasing a Aaliyah album.......
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:04 am
by dreamizm
magma wrote:
dreamizm wrote:
magma wrote:she made pop. Pretty straight pop at that
Really? How old are you fam?
So explain to me how this:
compares to the biggest selling single of the same year?
I'm 30; I was buying Aaliyah records when I was a teenager because they were aimed at me then. I love Aaliyah... almost as much as I love early TLC. Coincidentally, I had the OIAM album on a couple of nights ago... if you were on my Facebook, you'd probably notice that I play 4 Page Letter more than is healthy for a man my age.
But come on... pop doesn't, hasn't and never will have a single sound. Just because the most popular single of 1993 was Meat Loaf doesn't mean that Nirvana, 2 Unlimited, Celine Dion and Gabrielle didn't release pop singles that were entirely different in the same year. What a ridiculous thing to say. The "masses" can cope with more than one type of record at once.
One In A Million (as an album and a single) was expensively produced, aimed at teenagers and sold in its millions... it's a pop album just like TLC - crazysexycool was a pop album. It's a fucking brilliant pop album, but it's pop... you really can't argue it any other way.
Lauryn made plenty of pop, I didn't say she didn't (Badu has as well - On & On is pop, IMHO)... but she was also a creative genius with a serious social conscience. Aaliyah was never going to try to write Mystery Of Iniquity or I Get Out... you're hyping Aaliyah waaaayyy above her station here.
Pop isn't a dirty word.
Edit: Aaliyah was all about keeping her career moving as well - she was an astute businesswoman... yeah, she did it in ways that didn't offend her fanbase (or their record-buying parents), but come on... would you sign up for Romeo Must Die if you weren't just looking for a pay-out? You're second guessing her more than me here... I have no idea what she'd be doing now, but I doubt she'd be too snooty to work with successful musicians like YMCMB (especially when plenty of "respected" musicians these days are happy to)... I imagine her sound would've changed with the scene's sound a fair bit... either that or she'd have slipped into obscurity like most of the other RnB acts from her era have.
But yeah, I mean, I don't know her brain... neither do you...
I don't have an issue with music being popular, I just never heard an Aaliyah fan call her music
Genevieve wrote:Hahaha cute. Most 'producer' or 'executive producer' credits in hip-hop have nothing to do with who made the beat. At least on mainstream hip-hop records. It's usually the one who thought it was a good idea to buy the beat off of someone or who grinlit an idea. You know, like fucking Diddy. Timbaland's been doing it more and more lately too.
There ARE hip-hop producers who produce great beats, and some on mainstream records of course. It's just in this day and age, going by the 'producer credits' on albums when it's released in the top 40 is kinda pointless and I wouldn't put too much stock in them.
.....Unless you want to believe that Suge Knight co-produced the Chronic.
I made the Executive Producer distinction a little bit further back in the thread - that's actually quite an important role in making a Hip Hop album though. When you're trying to tie together productions from maybe 10 different producers, you need someone with an "overall" vision for the album so that it has any chance of flowing. Hip Hop has traditionally suffered from albums that are terribly fragmented - it's not as common as other genres to find single-artist (MC) albums that are worth listening to repeatedly from start to finish... the exceptions are usually the ones that either use a single producer (for example Missy/Timbaland, Gangstarr, Jurassic 5, Adam F. - Kaos, Wu - 36 Chambers) or those that have a particularly influential Executive Producer that can exert a "feel" to keep the individuals in line with the flow of the album (Dr. Dre for the first couple of Eminem albums, Kanye West on his own later albums)
If we were discussing Diddy's involvement with Life After Death or Suge Knight's on All Eyez On Me, you might have a point (I'd call them both venture capitalists, rather than exec producers most of the time - Diddy a little less than Knight), but we're not... Noah Shebib produces his own shit and I imagine on a project like this Drake wants to have some sort of influence on the direction of the sound. I wouldn't want to turn up and sing karaoke if I was making an album with one of my heroes... I'd want to help make sure it sounded as I wanted. I can't really see a problem with that... singers and songwriters have influenced the bands and session musicians they've worked with for decades... why not the producers? Simon and Garfunkel have "producer" credits on Bridge Over Troubled Water, but obviously most of the actual studio work and all of the non-guitar instrumentation was done by Roy Halee... it's not just a Hip Hop thing that artists and songwriters want to help shape the feels of their albums.
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