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Dub_freak wrote:Its not a problem if two separate artists sample the same thing but use it in a different way. It is a problem though if the second producer just straight up copies what the first producer did with the sample, without giving any credit.

Could someone post what song it is that the sample comes from?

Ugh, you're creating so many gray areas with this that don't need to be there. If someone can lift a guitar riff from one tune and put it on another, someone can sample a processed vocal and put it on another. It's lazy sampling, but it's still sampling.

hutyluty wrote:

dubfordessert wrote:

hutyluty wrote:If you sample some song then its you taking a bit of music and putting it in a new context. If someone then takes that new thing you've created and applies it in exactly the same way then thats not taking music its taking an idea and its pretty rubbish

and that's pretty much what mala did with both alicia and in luv tbh.

nah not really, he got the inspiration to mess about with the vocals and give them a new context, besides he called the tune alicia y'know- not exactly hiding that he's sampled.

he barely messed around with feeling u feeling me at all. all the original instrumentation and vocal is there, IN ITS ENTIRETY, he just added a few things, repeated bits and altered the way it sounded a little bit. the game lifted ONE short vocal sample from a track and put it on a new track. big deal.

Or shall we just end the discussion maybe? The track has already been made so all this is pretty pointless.

Genevieve wrote:

Dub_freak wrote:Its not a problem if two separate artists sample the same thing but use it in a different way. It is a problem though if the second producer just straight up copies what the first producer did with the sample, without giving any credit.

Could someone post what song it is that the sample comes from?

Ugh, you're creating so many gray areas with this that don't need to be there. If someone can lift a guitar riff from one tune and put it on another, someone can sample a processed vocal and put it on another. It's lazy sampling, but it's still sampling.

i dont think anyones saying that it should be illegal or anything, just that its a shitty thing to do

the whole argument is that its not cool to bite samples

WHICH IS ISNT COOL TO BITE SAMPLES

people disagree with this for some reason though because theyre being stubborn jackasses

well it's gross that he didn't ask BEFORE sampling, but the original goes pretty decent with spitting over it so I'm not too bothered. Music is music.

In summary, stop sampling what I like, but sample stuff I don't listen to regularly even though it's the same thing because "it has soul" when I like who sampled it.
Have loads of subjective arguments about how this is different stated as facts because I don't want to state I'm wrong.

rayman612 wrote:the whole argument is that its not cool to bite samples

WHICH IS ISNT COOL TO BITE SAMPLES

people disagree with this for some reason though because theyre being stubborn jackasses

its not cool to bite samples unless they're breaks or they're samples from artists you don't like. its ok we got it

what if the person you are sampling died 40 years ago cos then you can't ask permission then wat eh

ur so ignorant listen to more jojo pls

im about to sample the shit out of every jojo record & just put a snare over it

rayman612 wrote:ur so ignorant listen to more jojo pls

im about to sample the shit out of every jojo record & just put a snare over it

lol what does jojo have to do with this? you still mad about that toto sample?

hugh wrote:well it's gross that he didn't ask BEFORE sampling, but the original goes pretty decent with spitting over it so I'm not too bothered. Music is music.

Uhhh I'm pretty sure 99% of artists in the EDM scene don't ask before sampling anything, otherwise everything would never come out or be on white labels by unknown artists so they wouldn't get sued.
It's always funny how defensive people get when someone samples something they like, even though a good chunk of what they like does the same damn thing.

God damn it just post the original song.

hahahahaha i forgot about that actually

Genevieve wrote:The vocal sampling on 'Changes' is lame as fuck anyway. He sampled the worst part of the song.

sounds like a Stoupe beat but like he didn't try

deadly habit wrote:

hugh wrote:well it's gross that he didn't ask BEFORE sampling, but the original goes pretty decent with spitting over it so I'm not too bothered. Music is music.

Uhhh I'm pretty sure 99% of artists in the EDM scene don't ask before sampling anything, otherwise everything would never come out or be on white labels by unknown artists so they wouldn't get sued.
It's always funny how defensive people get when someone samples something they like, even though a good chunk of what they like does the same damn thing.

thankfully I couldn't give a shit

dubfordessert wrote:
he barely messed around with feeling u feeling me at all. all the original instrumentation and vocal is there, IN ITS ENTIRETY, he just added a few things, repeated bits and altered the way it sounded a little bit. the game lifted ONE short vocal sample from a track and put it on a new track. big deal.

if anything alicia's more a bootleg than anything else.. its a dubstep remix of an alicia keys song which the person knows before buying on white label, kind of thing which has been done for ages. Whether this sort of thing is cool is different but i'd argue he did it more for the art and his own enjoyment than to make money out of it but w/e
the sample which the changes bit is nicked off is a vocal taken and manipulated to create a whole new feeling from the original and then replayed in the exact same way with no credit- for monetary gain

honestly I think you are just seeing it how you want to see it and using rather weak justifications to do so.

dubfordessert wrote:

rayman612 wrote:the whole argument is that its not cool to bite samples

WHICH IS ISNT COOL TO BITE SAMPLES

people disagree with this for some reason though because theyre being stubborn jackasses

its not cool to bite samples unless they're breaks or they're samples from artists you don't like. its ok we got it

yeah this is exactly what you're saying.

how many westcoast rappers sampled more bounce, or so ruff so tuff back in the day? how many of those songs are still dope? who cares if this sample is lazy or not, its a dope sample, and, had some one more underground than game put his vocal on the track, all you guys would be loving it. not to mention, what about all the hip hop songs that are just interpolations instead of samples? should we hate on them too for being really unoriginal?

the whole point of sampling is give homage to someone elses work, and thats what the producer has done. deal with it. none of you hate rusko for sampling in the intro to jahova

hutyluty wrote:

dubfordessert wrote:
he barely messed around with feeling u feeling me at all. all the original instrumentation and vocal is there, IN ITS ENTIRETY, he just added a few things, repeated bits and altered the way it sounded a little bit. the game lifted ONE short vocal sample from a track and put it on a new track. big deal.

if anything alicia's more a bootleg than anything else.. its a dubstep remix of an alicia keys song which the person knows before buying on white label, kind of thing which has been done for ages. Whether this sort of thing is cool is different but i'd argue he did it more for the art and his own enjoyment than to make money out of it but w/e
the sample which the changes bit is nicked off is a vocal taken and manipulated to create a whole new feeling from the original and then replayed in the exact same way with no credit- for monetary gain

what does that have to do with anything?

and look at EVERY HIP HOP SONG PRE-1994. EVERY SAMPLE IS HARDLY MANIPULATED AND WE STILL SEE IT AS DOPE.

You are all just hating because someone touched the untouchable Mala