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garethom wrote:

JizzMan wrote:racism is funny. Its pathetic how there are retards with this false sense of superiority, and I find it genuinely funny when they get all riled up with their racist ideals. Racism on the streets should be ignored cos its worth nothing, just an idiot. Racial discrimination on more serious levels at higher up places in the job market is what needs to be really looked at, not fuckin luis suarez lol

I honestly don't know how people can be arsed enough to be vocally racist. Like, fill your time with something, you've clearly got too much time on your hands.

the same way people are vocally left wing, or right wing, or vegetarian, or religious, or atheist, or environmental, or campaigning for guns or fox hunting etc.
it's a belief they hold and want to spread?

I know, but left wing, right wing are huge areas that affect a lot of policies. Vegetarianism can be about protect all animals in the world from harm. Religion is a way of defining how you live your life and the things you do in your life. Environmentalism can and will save the world one day. Fox Hunt campaigners want the right to do something they think is fun.

Getting angry because somebody has different colour skin to you is silliness on a next level.

garethom wrote:I know, but left wing, right wing are huge areas that affect a lot of policies. Vegetarianism can be about protect all animals in the world from harm. Religion is a way of defining how you live your life and the things you do in your life. Environmentalism can and will save the world one day. Fox Hunt campaigners want the right to do something they think is fun.

Getting angry because somebody has different colour skin to you is silliness on a next level.

But i really don't trust these little fuckers:

I'm sorry to say but stereotyping is part of human nature.
Expose yourself to enough of a certain populous' shenanigans and racism becomes a natural progression.

It's a tough fact but it is reality.

Personally I don't feel that black is black or brown is brown.
Each areas demographic will come with it's own problems.
Poverty and education however play a massive part in this imo.

That was probably off topic but imo it relates.

magma wrote: Personally I can't think of any time I'd use any of the words mentioned unless quoting someone else, but I can see how context can make pretty much any string of words mean anything to anyone. Common sense dictates that if you're communicating using language that MUST be understood within its proper context you therefore MUST make sure that all those overhearing are in on the context. Running up to your group of mates in the club and yelling "WHAT UP MY N-WORDS!" is a perfectly valid reason to get stabbed in the neck by a stranger and the stranger would have every right to be offended.

In the case of Suarez, he threw a racial descriptor into a sentence insulting someone like John Terry supposedly did, didn't he?. Of course the racial descriptor was part of the insult. If I thought you were a cunt (which obviously I don't), I wouldn't call you a white cunt, I'd just call you a cunt unless I also thought being white was a bad thing. Easy.

Sorry for the time it's taken to respond but I think the post merits it.

I see a conflict between the positions in the two paragraphs above. I agree with the first there has to be some context. WRT the OP if he is offended by his friends use of language he has a right to challenge the context they intended it. Generally I don't ever see a group of white people using racial epithets positively, similarly with straight people using homophobic language where even gay has become some generic pejorative.

That said I'm reluctant to accept a position that requires some moral absolutism. I have no music in my collection that has white people using racist language, certainly not to my knowledge, with the possible exception to Pink Floyd on the wall but that has a very specific context. I have hundreds of tunes containing rappers using cracker. If we accept some absolutist position all of this should be condemned but we don't. I'm sure there's been discussions about why white racism is relatively worse because of the power inequality and I'm not really wanting to divert the discussion but suffice to say we apply a context to it an adopt a more relativist position that things are interpreted subjectively. We then interpret them within the group that we are acting.

If it's ok for a white guy to drop the N word in with a group of black mates then we understand that only applies to that group. I'm not sure it ever is but that may be my failing to get it or ever understand why a white guy would want to.

Finally in relation to Suarez he did use a racial descriptor but he didn't call him a cunt. You mentioned at the time he wasn't black enough to use the language he did but the fact a grandparent was black suggests that in his immediate parentage two generations of racial integration. To just condemn him as a racist applies an absolutist position to a situation that in my opinion doesn't warrant it. Should he do it again understanding the cultural context then that's another thing entirely.

JizzMan wrote:racism is funny. Its pathetic how there are retards with this false sense of superiority, and I find it genuinely funny when they get all riled up with their racist ideals. Racism on the streets should be ignored cos its worth nothing, just an idiot. Racial discrimination on more serious levels at higher up places in the job market is what needs to be really looked at, not fuckin luis suarez lol

I completely agree.
In Paris, you won't hear "Negre" (french N word), except as a writer (that's really how it's called...) when he helps a celeb writing his autobiography. So, no racism with words.
But, if you're colored :
- you won't enter the night club if you don't have at least 5 female friends (and they might just let the females in).
- you can't rent an appartment at a real estate at all. only directly with the owner.

An anomaly