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Well excuse me for relying on facts. If you all want to live in ignorance, it's your choice. As I said - a null test is irrefutable, anyone who cannot understand that lacks even the most basic knowledge! It's so funny!


I can just see it in a scientific journal:

"Today a group of scientists have been using their chests to measure sound waves and have found that mp3 has an inferior bass response to wav files. Instead of playing the same music in a controlled environment they instead mixed several different songs, some of them wav and some mp3. They paid no attention to the fact that these are different songs, as they know that their chest is natures most accurate tool for measuring the amplitude of a sound wave."

Hilarious!

One of my favourite videos to show to stupid/ignorant people:



This shows that your brain can play tricks on you. But you guys probably know better then them, right?

A post by the same guy, Ethan Winer(who knows more than all of you idiots put together):

A few years ago, someone I know from a hi-fi type audio forum visited me. He insisted he can identify lossy compression every time, so I tested him blind in my home studio. He had brought with him a CD of a solo classical piano, so we used that as the source music. I extracted a Wave file from the CD, then created lossy versions at 128, 192, and 256 kbps. I played fragments one after the other while he listened and guessed which was which. Son of a gun, he got them all right! But then we did it again and he got them all exactly backwards, believing that the 128 kbps version was the original and the original was the 128 kbps copy. So he obviously couldn't hear the degradation, even at 128 kbps, and his first success was due simply to chance. This is not to say that 128 kbps always sounds the same as an original Wave file, because the loss is clearly audible on some types of music.

Lol!

Now what I find really hard to grasp - how are some of you arguing about the invalidity of a null test? This is a test that shows the DIFFERENCES, nothing more. And if you try it, you'll see that it's higher frequency white noise and wide stereo content that gets lost, NOT BASS. It amazes me that people refuse to accept facts and instead rely on anecdotal information about how they once played a track in a club and didn't feel it in their chest as much!! There's so many variables in this, for a start as I've pointed out a dozen or so times YOU NEED TO PLAY THE SAME FUCKING SONG TO HEAR A DIFFERENCE. It's such a basic concept, I actually think I could teach it to a monkey.

VirtualMark wrote:Wow, there is so much misinformation here!

Most people are stupid - they lack critical thinking and just believe the nonsense that is spread around the internet.

Please, go to university and study some science before running your mouths off about a subject like this. Most of you know next to nothing about this! Sure, I respect some of your musical abilities, but we're discussing scientific fact here, which is purely objective.

lol, why are you getting so angry man?

didnt you say you learnt all this from gearslutz? how do you know your not spreading more nonsense around the internet.

And thinking that science is purely objective is a masssive fallacy, science is only ever a limited representation of reality, which relies on symbols and languages which are incredibly subjective.

deadly habit wrote: When you assume, you make an ass out of you not me. I'm well aware of null tests, and have performed them. You're the one talking science and now discounting A METERING TOOL.
If you want to discuss psychoacoustics say so, but don't cherry pick and call it science, especially since certain psychoacoustical properties differ from person to person since our ears and brains aren't mass manufactured to the same exact factory specifications.
For those of you who don't want to deal with VirtualMark's twatish tone and refer to the Gearslutz thread he's likely pulling this from http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gear-sho ... -test.html
or just pop this in your google search bar site:gearslutz.com mp3 vs wav

Also here ya go the boss of Funktion One discussing mp3 starting around 6:40

Keep going, you'll soon type the complete works of Shakespeare.

VirtualMark wrote:As I said - a null test is irrefutable, anyone who cannot understand that lacks even the most basic knowledge!

I think you're not grasping the meaning of 'irrefutable'

VirtualMark wrote:"Today a group of scientists have been using their chests to measure sound waves and have found that mp3 has an inferior bass response to wav files. Instead of playing the same music in a controlled environment they instead mixed several different songs, some of them wav and some mp3. They paid no attention to the fact that these are different songs, as they know that their chest is natures most accurate tool for measuring the amplitude of a sound wave."

cool strawman, it's so painfully obvious how you ignore all the actual arguments against what youre saying that deadly, myself, and many others have presented and then just pick a few posts that weren't very serious replies and reply to those

I bet you have a tiny penis Mark

wub wrote:

VirtualMark wrote:As I said - a null test is irrefutable, anyone who cannot understand that lacks even the most basic knowledge!

I think you're not grasping the meaning of 'irrefutable'

Irrefutable:

Impossible to deny or disprove.

A null test shows the EXACT DIFFERENCES between two files. Simple.

What was your point?

So no scientific response this time, nor any mention on how your tests are primarily done on nearfield speakers and not on a PA rig where the psychoacoustic effects start to fall apart and become more obvious?

Terpit wrote:I bet you have a tiny penis Mark

That's not what your mum said!

VirtualMark wrote:

Terpit wrote:I bet you have a tiny penis Mark

That's not what your mum said!

thread won

Some utter breeze chatted, few irrelevant videos and a your mum joke.

Compelling argument.

jorge wrote: lol, why are you getting so angry man?

didnt you say you learnt all this from gearslutz? how do you know your not spreading more nonsense around the internet.

And thinking that science is purely objective is a masssive fallacy, science is only ever a limited representation of reality, which relies on symbols and languages which are incredibly subjective.

No, I didn't learn from Gearslutz, I've spent half my life studying various forms of science and technology. In the past few years I've taken up music, and have found that musicians are not the most knowledgeable people when it comes to science. They tend to let their feelings cloud their judgement. As we all know, the brain can fool you!

Science is based upon observation and measurement. Without science, we would still be living in caves, trying to work how to bash rocks together to make a sharper rock to hunt with.

This limited perception of reality you speak of happens to be called the universe, and we happen to live in it. We can claim that there is a lot we don't understand, yet science is the best tool we have for ever understanding it.

VirtualMark wrote:musicians are not the most knowledgeable people when it comes to science. They tend to let their feelings cloud their judgement

Goddamn musicians and their feelings, taking away from the science of the matter.

wub wrote:Some utter breeze chatted, few irrelevant videos and a your mum joke.

Compelling argument.

You missed the part out where my penis size was insulted. Or are you really just that biased against me that you have to ignore it when someone else posts an insult?

You still haven't explained what's wrong with a null test. 16bit 44.1khz wav vs 320 mp3. You'll find lots of high end stereo information, not much more. Please explain how this translates into a loss of bass if the test shows no difference in bass.

That is my main argument, everything else is just a reaction to the insults and stupidity.

Penis jokes are one thing, mother jokes are unacceptable imo

VirtualMark wrote:

jorge wrote: lol, why are you getting so angry man?

didnt you say you learnt all this from gearslutz? how do you know your not spreading more nonsense around the internet.

And thinking that science is purely objective is a masssive fallacy, science is only ever a limited representation of reality, which relies on symbols and languages which are incredibly subjective.

No, I didn't learn from Gearslutz, I've spent half my life studying various forms of science and technology. In the past few years I've taken up music, and have found that musicians are not the most knowledgeable people when it comes to science. They tend to let their feelings cloud their judgement. As we all know, the brain can fool you!

Science is based upon observation and measurement. Without science, we would still be living in caves, trying to work how to bash rocks together to make a sharper rock to hunt with.

This limited perception of reality you speak of happens to be called the universe, and we happen to live in it. We can claim that there is a lot we don't understand, yet science is the best tool we have for ever understanding it.

please dont associate the bullshit youve been spewing with actual science, youre making it look bad

VirtualMark wrote:Or are you really just that biased against me that you have to ignore it when someone else posts an insult?

Thinking you're a twit =/= being biased against you.

wub wrote:Goddamn musicians and their feelings, taking away from the science of the matter.

Again - please explain what feeling has to do with this? We're discussing a technical point here - the claim is that 320 mp3 loses bass response. How will your emotions change this?

VirtualMark wrote:

wub wrote:Goddamn musicians and their feelings, taking away from the science of the matter.

Again - please explain what feeling has to do with this? We're discussing a technical point here - the claim is that 320 mp3 loses bass response. How will your emotions change this?

You're the one who brought feelings into the argument, why should I have to defend a point that you raised?

Terpit wrote:Penis jokes are one thing, mother jokes are unacceptable imo

Comedy takes no prisoners.

If you can't take it, don't start throwing insults. Keep things civil and I will too.