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this again is one of the typical dubstepforum discussions. somebody starts getting a bit too critical and get's bashed completely by dozen of forum heads. and not in a intellectual way, of pointing out flaws in his argument but mainly by saying he's shit, should stfu, etc.

come on, chef, and all the other guys, have you ever heard of discussion/argumentation and manners? this is a forum and not a playground.

saying stuff like chef: "Constructive criticism's all good....

But when someone's chatting shit, they're shit."


i might chat shit too, but saying i'm shit because you think my current thoughts are shit just doesn't make sense, dude. that's like saying "coki's spongebob is shit, so he must be a shit producer", now that is just plain false and in fact quite naive argumentation.


it gets so tiresome that the level of discussion is always taken to insults and harsh statements. where's the chilled and considerate discussion at?

this happens with almost every thread about a certain big tune or esp. coki (ruff luvin anyone?).

people have SERIOUS issues with negative criticism on this board!
people have a problem with other people thinking about the music a lot more and complex than "BIG!" "huge tune" "braap" or maybe "large!".

slothrop makes a good point. discuss things. (and insult do not count as discussion, they're just insults which tend to end the discussion or at least mess up the last bit of intellectual discussion).

i think we can all agree on coki being are very interesting producer and quite skilled. making heavy tunes for years...
it should also be understandable that he seems to be very repetitive, which is perfectly fine as long as something happens and the tunes develop in whatever direction they do.

hahaha big up jubscarz

I wasn't gonna bump this thread but since it's here already...

THA ILLSTA wrote: DJ's such as myself who try to educate the crowd with alternative shizz e.t.c have to put up with a load of crap from the crowd, people sayin' what's this ? when are you going to play some dubstep e.t.c.

Didn't notice at the time, but someone who's willing to go up to Benny Ill and tell him what is and is not dubstep really doesn't get punched in the face often enough... it's like having Antonio Carluccio cook you lunch and then complaining at him that it's not proper italian food cos it's not like the takeaway pizza you got from your local chippy last week.

dubwise_gamgee wrote: people have SERIOUS issues with negative criticism on this board!

Yep, and rightly so.

That shizz never did anyone any good.

Constructive criticism, as CHEF rightly mentioned, should be welcomed.
i.e. if you don't like it WHAT do you think could be done to IMPROVE it or suggestions for DIRECTIONAL CHANGE..

And P.S. We are not all intellectuals here so read between tha lines of STFU comments e.t.c

It's quicker than reading 60 lines of negativism.

THA ILLSTA wrote:

dubwise_gamgee wrote: people have SERIOUS issues with negative criticism on this board!

Yep, and rightly so.

That shizz never did anyone any good.

Constructive criticism, as CHEF rightly mentioned, should be welcomed.
i.e. if you don't like it WHAT do you think could be done to IMPROVE it or suggestions for DIRECTIONAL CHANGE..

And P.S. We are not all intellectuals here so read between tha lines of STFU comments e.t.c

It's quicker than reading 60 lines of negativism.

Word!

"all arguments on the internet eventually become arguments about arguing on the internet"

-charlie brooker

pk- wrote:"all arguments on the internet eventually become arguments about arguing on the internet"

-charlie brooker

Yep, incredibly observant of the said Mr. Brooker.

Now back to comments about ROAD-RAGE

Poor old Coki.

geiom wrote:

Jubscarz wrote:

"Nah mate, just keep going right yeah, keep going right- you'll get there."

LOL

LOL!


I'm getting a bit dizzy now but i've still got some fuel left in the tank so I can keep going round for now.

dubwise_gamgee wrote:this again is one of the typical dubstepforum discussions. somebody starts getting a bit too critical and get's bashed completely by dozen of forum heads. and not in a intellectual way, of pointing out flaws in his argument but mainly by saying he's shit, should stfu, etc.

Numerous flaws were pointed out in an ''intellectual way''
**Read below for the rest of my reply about your above text

dubwise_gamgee wrote:come on, chef, and all the other guys, have you ever heard of discussion/argumentation and manners? this is a forum and not a playground.

Actually I did once hear about ''discussion/argumentation'' and from that rare once in a lifetime opportunity I did come to the conclusion that with a thing discussion everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but just because you have an opinion it doesn't mean it's a correct statement or argument. In an argument you should expect to be challenged if people don't agree or your just plain wrong and expect to receive harsh comments back especially if content in your original statement/s were/are harsh.

p.s
Sorry I really thought this was a playground and that I played the bully.

dubwise_gamgee wrote:
saying stuff like chef: "Constructive criticism's all good....

But when someone's chatting shit, they're shit."


i might chat shit too, but saying i'm shit because you think my current thoughts are shit just doesn't make sense, dude. that's like saying "coki's spongebob is shit, so he must be a shit producer", now that is just plain false and in fact quite naive argumentation.

**For the record I didn't mean that he as a person is shit, what I meant to type was that when someone's chatting shit, they're chatting shit, simple as, (genuine typing error on my behalf) which is the same as saying when your wrong...... your wrong, but in a slightly different context.

dubwise_gamgee wrote:

it gets so tiresome that the level of discussion is always taken to insults and harsh statements. where's the chilled and considerate discussion at?

this happens with almost every thread about a certain big tune or esp. coki (ruff luvin anyone?).

people have SERIOUS issues with negative criticism on this board!
people have a problem with other people thinking about the music a lot more and complex than "BIG!" "huge tune" "braap" or maybe "large!".

slothrop makes a good point. discuss things. (and insult do not count as discussion, they're just insults which tend to end the discussion or at least mess up the last bit of intellectual discussion).

i think we can all agree on coki being are very interesting producer and quite skilled. making heavy tunes for years...
it should also be understandable that he seems to be very repetitive, which is perfectly fine as long as something happens and the tunes develop in whatever direction they do.

I don't expect everyone, or should I say every Dubstepper to like Roadrage, that is perfectly natural and this tune is defiantly more of an acquired taste anyway.

I don't have an issue with criticism and people saying they don't like a tune ''It's not my style, it's not my thing, not feeling it at all'' etc and having your reasons, but I do have an issue with people coming out with wild assumptions and just jumping to conclusions about people they don't know and are totally wrong about.

i.e ''playing it safe, feeding the dancefloor''.

Once again it's down to the DJ's playing what they want on the dancefloor and label managers choosing what tracks they wanna sign,
When Coki gives you a cd is isn't just full of ''dancefloor bangers'' but i'm sure most of the tracks would go down with a bang on most dubstep and some other music genre dancefloors around the world.

also on further positive notes, news which seems to have been swallowed by all this (or maybe i missed it before?)... Madhead on Ringo?! Is that the flip to Yourz?

so sick, i thought that it was gone

elgato wrote:also on further positive notes, news which seems to have been swallowed by all this (or maybe i missed it before?)... Madhead on Ringo?! Is that the flip to Yourz?

so sick, i thought that it was gone

Yeah bro, Madhead is coming out Ringo soon, with another Coki track on the otherside.
T.p's are done and sounding sweet, full release should be a few weeks, call it a month.

THA ILLSTA wrote:

pk- wrote:"all arguments on the internet eventually become arguments about arguing on the internet"

-charlie brooker

Yep, incredibly observant of the said Mr. Brooker.

Now back to comments about ROAD-RAGE

Poor old Coki.

I'd be surprised if he's losing much sleep tbh...

I heard he was working on a new beat called Flame War, which sounds nothing at all like Road Rage.

can someone summarise this thread for us?

ac23 wrote:can someone summarise this thread for us?

That depends. How many of you are there?

Chef wrote:

elgato wrote:also on further positive notes, news which seems to have been swallowed by all this (or maybe i missed it before?)... Madhead on Ringo?! Is that the flip to Yourz?

so sick, i thought that it was gone

Yeah bro, Madhead is coming out Ringo soon, with another Coki track on the otherside.
T.p's are done and sounding sweet, full release should be a few weeks, call it a month.

sick big up

masstronaut wrote:

ac23 wrote:can someone summarise this thread for us?

That depends. How many of you are there?

4 including the dog. why?

Tell your dog: ''Stupid humans make angry for riddim, for they cannot lick testicles as you will''

Ok, I've only read the first half of this long-ass thread but for situations like this I like to deal with it this way, short and simple.

If someone's producing a tune that you're not feeling, don't buy it. And if a DJ is playing a tune that you're not into, don't dance to it or leave the room. Let the market/dancefloor speak for itself.

Have a discussion and argue about it if you want, but it's not solving anything but getting people pissed off at each other. As for me, I've just saved all that time and can now be doing something more useful.

Chef wrote:Once again it's down to the DJ's playing what they want on the dancefloor and label managers choosing what tracks they wanna sign,
When Coki gives you a cd is isn't just full of ''dancefloor bangers'' but i'm sure most of the tracks would go down with a bang on most dubstep and some other music genre dancefloors around the world.

werd. the tune's a hit because the djs like it, cut it and play it...rinse and repeat.

Chef wrote:

elgato wrote:also on further positive notes, news which seems to have been swallowed by all this (or maybe i missed it before?)... Madhead on Ringo?! Is that the flip to Yourz?

so sick, i thought that it was gone

Yeah bro, Madhead is coming out Ringo soon, with another Coki track on the otherside.
T.p's are done and sounding sweet, full release should be a few weeks, call it a month.

was just wondering when this one would finally hit the masses...never wouldve guessed Ringo. nice1! please let 'Thieves' be on the flip

Corpsey wrote:Tell your dog: ''Stupid humans make angry for riddim, for they cannot lick testicles as you will''

hahaha