Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:42 am
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Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:35 pm
m8son its just so wrong and silly
This is how those shitty ½nazi parties operate. They go in spurting all kinds of nice cheapish social reforms (like in Denmark it's the elderly that they appeal too).
It's how it's done.
You go for a specific bit that works populistically in a context where people are already upset about something else and then you move.
It's been happening all over Europe the last ten years at least.
With LePen and similar parties in most countries. This is your guys version.
It was the same way Hitler got his party in back in 1937-38. Like 1:1.
Because we have democracy where stuff like nationalsocialism isn't succesful, unless you cover it up at the time when you get in.
Also hasn't the scuzzy fuckshit been to prison for racism or what was it ?
This is how those shitty ½nazi parties operate. They go in spurting all kinds of nice cheapish social reforms (like in Denmark it's the elderly that they appeal too).
It's how it's done.
You go for a specific bit that works populistically in a context where people are already upset about something else and then you move.
It's been happening all over Europe the last ten years at least.
With LePen and similar parties in most countries. This is your guys version.
It was the same way Hitler got his party in back in 1937-38. Like 1:1.
Because we have democracy where stuff like nationalsocialism isn't succesful, unless you cover it up at the time when you get in.
Also hasn't the scuzzy fuckshit been to prison for racism or what was it ?
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:50 pm
It's funny how you guys have fallen for the media propaganda.
Literally all you non-brits have to go on is what the left-wing media have reported to you, how you have formed such strong and unwavering opinions is quite laughable.
Literally all you non-brits have to go on is what the left-wing media have reported to you, how you have formed such strong and unwavering opinions is quite laughable.
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:17 pm
yeah, the mainstream media which is SOOOOOO leftistmason666 wrote:It's funny how you guys have fallen for the media propaganda.
and what do you go on then? what the right wing media has reported to you? lolmason666 wrote:Literally all you non-brits have to go on is what the left-wing media have reported to you, how you have formed such strong and unwavering opinions is quite laughable.
who actually lets the media decide their stance on anything? of course media is biased, and anyone with half a brain keeps that in mind and can separate the reality from ideology. if you're watching/reading "proper" news and not CNN/NBC/etc or some punditry bullshit, then there isnt much analysis (the bit where the bias comes into play) in the first place, and any bias really comes solely from what is chosen to be covered / not covered
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:22 pm
I go by the manifesto's, the policies and the people.
My point is that you guys don't live in our country so your knowledge of our political parties, along with the specific issues being discussed, will be solely from someone (the media) reporting it to you.
My point is that you guys don't live in our country so your knowledge of our political parties, along with the specific issues being discussed, will be solely from someone (the media) reporting it to you.
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:26 pm
Please tell that to everyone on here that luvs ripping on the US
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 10:48 pm
i dunno, someone who cares about politics and is interested in looking at different parties' policies without bias? if you're implying that ukip supporters as a group don't fit that then you don't have much faith in them...mason666 wrote:lol and what kind of person do you think would do that survey?shnobs wrote:doesn't seem to be the case... https://data.voteforpolicies.org.uk/cou ... es/englandmason666 wrote:If people looked at the manifesto's side by side without any previous bias i think a lot of people from across the political spectrum would choose ukips.
of course this is based on almost 400k surveys, rather than one ukip supporter's hunch, so believe what you want
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:00 pm
Economically speaking, the mainstream media (even the guardian which is seen as the most leftist of the mainstream media) are very right wing. The British media are the least condemning of austerity anywhere in the world. Even Europe are starting to change their views.. Ever so slightly.
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:07 pm
I don't get how that differs from someone who lives in the uk though.. Most people gain their opinions from the media whether they live in the country or not. Benefit street is a perfect example, that show was very instrumental in the hate for foreigners and people on benefits as being 'leeches' of society. They even had a fucking channel 4 """""debate"""""" program after it! Same goes for the hate against Muslims. Not saying these issues aren't real issues, I'm just agreeing the media have a huge influence on public (and foreign) opinion.. But to pretend it's all leftist is a little silly. Especially when the daily mail website is the most viewed uk media website in the world.mason666 wrote:My point is that you guys don't live in our country so your knowledge of our political parties, along with the specific issues being discussed, will be solely from someone (the media) reporting it to you.
UKIP have the media to thank for their popularity imo. Immigration is one of the most talked about topics in the media in recent times. Whether it's a real issue or not doesn't matter.. It becomes an important issue because of the media. UKIP aren't the first to benefit from it, the rise of the BNP was based on the same media shit storm a few years back.
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:33 am
Presumably you don't believe Sked's remarks about Farage mason?
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:03 am
No i don't, it's not the first time a founding member of a party had different views to how the party has ended up (labour).
Also with his new (leftist) 'New Deal' party it's hardly surprising he is trying to renounce his links with UKIP and slag off politicians from opposition parties.
Also with his new (leftist) 'New Deal' party it's hardly surprising he is trying to renounce his links with UKIP and slag off politicians from opposition parties.
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:14 am
for all those who think Greens are a realistic choice
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... ious-sect/
Labour LibDem coalition would be very interesting imo
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... ious-sect/
Labour LibDem coalition would be very interesting imo
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:11 pm
except the tendency shown by these very similar politically populist ½nazi parties in europe (or reading mason the reporter reportsmason666 wrote:I go by the manifesto's, the policies and the people.
My point is that you guys don't live in our country so your knowledge of our political parties, along with the specific issues being discussed, will be solely from someone (the media) reporting it to you.
) I do think you have a point in reading what they put up and going through that, without as much prejudice. No doubt. But there's a way politics work and there's ways to notice what is in fact populism.
I'm a little embaressed by the tone dont get me wrong. But we're talking about accepting political racism here.
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:29 pm
That article just sounds like a cynical load of anecdotal rubbish. I bet my hat that the Greens have actually done some research to make the best proposal possible and didn't just pull it out of their arse.
Of course, parties like the Conservatives do make perfectly realistic propositions that are based on screwing as many people as possible, and so end up being realistic for being unimplementable. For example, their proposal to take welfare off people who 'refuse treatment for a treatable condition' sounds reasonable if you know nothing about treating the actual condition or as a member of a medical profession you can't just force things on people who don't consent. Read all about it: https://opendemocracy.net/ournhs/peter- ... n-human-ri
Of course, parties like the Conservatives do make perfectly realistic propositions that are based on screwing as many people as possible, and so end up being realistic for being unimplementable. For example, their proposal to take welfare off people who 'refuse treatment for a treatable condition' sounds reasonable if you know nothing about treating the actual condition or as a member of a medical profession you can't just force things on people who don't consent. Read all about it: https://opendemocracy.net/ournhs/peter- ... n-human-ri
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:49 pm
M8 seriously. No one could take it seriously or take offense, if people took the piss out of all of Europe at the same time. Because nobody is really that european.DrGatineau wrote:Please tell that to everyone on here that luvs ripping on the US
It's unfair imo to say that all Texans are *this* but it's not unfair to think that the sum of two opinions can't make up a 'democracy'. That cold war logic is not on.
We're supposed to meet up where your influence in international politics is considered the opinion of your citizens (democratic), but it isn't.
It's essentially two market ideals that independantly from politics and in part because of the size of your own market, has some of the biggest input on trade on the globe. These ideals are now mirrored by industries all over the globe in a response to either agree with their own government or appeal to the US and seperate from their government because the US is number one in most exports, at the same time. And arguably a better partner for investment.
You have essentially bought out what is politics globally, in that there's always a trade option or the threat of a looming embargo. The only time this role was really questioned was during the backlash of the vietnam war. Not even when moving in on a made up basis in the second bit in Iraq.
You don't like the police either do you?
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:25 pm
Mason's political views are the equivalent of an angsty teen who wants to be different from all his internet friends
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:36 pm
good input there andrew
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:42 pm
Dr gat, most of my prejudices against American's stem from the interactions i have had with ehbs.
Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:56 pm
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Re: UK General Election 2015
Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 3:14 pm
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