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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:05 pm
by elementalism
At the end of the day, Dubai is a moderate Islamic state. Women have a lot more rights than most other Islamic countries, and they're open to dialogue (and inevitably, Westernisation).
But don't take the piss. They're compromising anyway, don't test their mercy. They could shoot/stone/beat you to death and write it off as Radical Islam - but they don't!
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:06 pm
by stanton
pk- wrote:
that's got a very western approach to it, though. a couple of muslim associates explained it to me like this (although they're from algeria so this might not apply to the middle east) - men and women are given very specific roles in islamic society and are actually given equal importance in completely different areas. the women run the family unit, and aren't given the same freedoms because it's expected that they devote their lives to that role. similarly men are expected to financially support their family and are given freedom to work where/do what they please to facilitate this. obviously it's a heavily patriarchal social model and there's always going to be a bias, but this concept of women treated as slaves and being vehemently hated is apparently quite far from the truth.
I agree with you here to an extent, the idea of women as slaves that are vehemently hated probably isn't true. However that is only one very narrow interpretation of what misogyny is, what you're explaining there is that women are free to do what they are told and that Islamic society is totalitarian, sexist and misogynist.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:19 pm
by rickyricardo
I certainly feel sorry for the guy, but there's a certain amount of due diligence that should be taken before traveling into *any* foreign countries with customs and values that differ from your own. You may not agree w/ the rules, or even like them, but for the time you are there....they are the law(s) of the land.
If I were traveling to Dubai, Singapore, or some other semi-police state you'd better believe I would be shaking down my pants and triple washing my shirts before leaving. Hell, I saw "Midnight Express"....some prisons in this world are no fucking joke
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:04 pm
by two oh one
RickyRicardo wrote:I certainly feel sorry for the guy, but there's a certain amount of due diligence that should be taken before traveling into *any* foreign countries with customs and values that differ from your own. You may not agree w/ the rules, or even like them, but for the time you are there....they are the law(s) of the land.
If I were traveling to Dubai, Singapore, or some other semi-police state you'd better believe I would be shaking down my pants and triple washing my shirts before leaving. Hell, I saw "Midnight Express"....some prisons in this world are no fucking joke
Dead on. It might be unduly harsh compared to other laws, but fucking hell, learn about the place you're going to before you go there. There's no excuses. I'm sure Mr.Rider is on the internet, so he could have done some Wiki research and now be safe at home eating his cornflakes, instead of in cockroach infested murder hole.
They don't obviously don't fuck around.
At least he can write a book of his experiences when he comes out.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:40 pm
by fuagofire
wish it was westwood
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:44 pm
by two oh one
fuagofire wrote:wish it was westwood
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:46 pm
by blizzardmusic
fuagofire wrote:wish it was westwood
Thats tight dawg.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:45 pm
by misk
pk- wrote:I thought it was because she was alone in a car with a man that wasn't her husband or a relative
I don't know the ins and outs of saudi or dubai law, but I'm sure there's a lot of misconceptions and assumptions in the west that are miles wide of the mark
thats pretty much the case. when i lived there, a lot of westerners didnt know the exact laws, so as a general consensus, people would just try to act maturely, and not do anything there that would be illegal in their home country.
that and my mom would wear an abaya (the black thing) and bring my dad when she would go into the saudi city.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:25 pm
by watermelonman
It's sort of like wearing clear heels in the Sistine Chapel. You just don't do it.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:26 am
by d_three
http://www.petitiononline.com/gr00v3/
give it a go, it takes 2 mins of your precious time, it might change something...
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:36 am
by *grand*
this still making the news... a guilty man got sentenced for a crime he committed.
What's new.. i heard amy whinehouse is self harming.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:15 am
by shonky
I've always found it quite strange that Amy Winehouse and other celebrities can be in the papers constantly with reports of their drug use but the police mostly do nothing. Same with city bankers and cocaine use, who quite likely get through more drugs in a week than most dealers.
Don't really agree with the drug laws (think it perpetuates gangsterism and rehabilitation would be more effective in treating addicts than prison) but does smack of hypocrisy.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:55 am
by datura
Shonky wrote:I've always found it quite strange that Amy Winehouse and other celebrities can be in the papers constantly with reports of their drug use but the police mostly do nothing. Same with city bankers and cocaine use, who quite likely get through more drugs in a week than most dealers.
Yeah i never understood that. But then i guess if you look at the state of her lately it's a pretty effective warning of the negative effects of drugs.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:39 pm
by breaksbaron
FREE GROOVERIDER!
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:43 pm
by pk-
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:45 pm
by oddfellow
Indeed, it wont change anything.
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:50 pm
by breaksbaron
How do you know unless you try ?
If it were 'Skream' people would give it a go..............................
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:52 pm
by forensix (mcr)
Tomity wrote:
Indeed, it wont change anything.
internet petitions really do change the world
not fucking signing a petition to free a convicted criminal who admits that he is guilty
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:52 pm
by pk-
i mean "fuck that" things shouldn't be changed for him
he just ignored (or didn't bother to check) the law of the land. might not agree with the legislation but can't complain when it gets enforced
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:53 pm
by oddfellow
BREAKSBARON wrote:How do you know unless you try ?
If it were 'Skream' people would give it a go..............................
Maybe so, maybe not. The point is that the UAE wont give a shit. Diplomatic talks are probably the only way that it would be sorted and I doubt thats going to happen. If he does get off it will be down to his legal team, not that petition