Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:24 pm
You either give me somethign or no jpeg 4 u today xxx
i <3 bellybelle. she just summed up how i feel quite nicely.bellybelle wrote:
Its ended up with that response because every time one of the ladies looks at her screen, FUCKING WOMEN comes up, which is an insult before you even look into the thread.
If you have a lamentation about a certain woman, fine. But if you're gonna be brazen enough to slander an entire gender so that each time anyone looks, thats whats seen, then thats where the insult comes.
I don't think you understand how much women overlook just being here. There is an entire thread devoted to the depreciation of women, no matter how its entitled. Posting an innocuous picture leaves women prey to criticism, judgment, and devaluation; which is largely overlooked. We overlook all the comments that our fellow ninjas make reducing women to basically pockets for cocks. Insulted on intelligence and appearance on a regular basis that are strictly, though subtle to men, focused towards women.
And you don't even have to read the thread to get the insult. So instructing people "Don't read it if you don't wanna deal" doesn't even apply.
I can call a thread LITTLE DICK BROKE ASS MOTHERFUCKERS and on the inside say, "Oh not you ninjas though." Whether or not you choose read the thread, any time you wanna check on potatoes or footie or what people are doing at that point in time, thats what you see.
And I don't understand that reaction, tbh. So many people grief about the inability to say what they feel because feelings get hurt. Equally so are the joys expressed in watching drama.
You agree that the title is off but not enough to fix. That leaves the participants to police themselves. So we are.
So why is it that when all of that results in a vehement response, there is too much? Where's the equality in that?
the reason why she (and myself) are frustrated with this, is not JUST because of the original thread title. what some do not seem to get is that the frustration is CUMULATIVE (as belly pointed out already), and borne of seeing the bullshit over and over and over. so sometimes, it just takes something small to bring it all to a head where the frustration comes spilling out.
+1 for a big thank you to eLBe for "getting it".bellybelle wrote:i love you. thank you for seeing that. no seriously. thank you for that.eLBe wrote:trouble is badger that sexism has been around for a long long time, it is innate it almost all cultures, include ours, it is still there whether you see it or not and often militant feminism is only seen as militant because it points out sexism in places where people like you and me think there are none, it makes you feel uncomfortable that you do not see the sexism, it highlights you own failing which often leads to rejection.
and once again, when a woman expresses her frustration, she "doesn't get it" or is overreacting. sorry, guys. just because our experiences do not jibe with your experiences, doesn't make them any less real or valid. why is it SO damn hard to take what a woman says at face value, instead of trying to point out all the ways in which you perceive her to be wrong?datura wrote:You just don't get it. Again.bellybelle wrote:
Fighting back is a way to not be a victim. Honestly, I think you're completely confused on what it means to be a victim. To take something for the sake of quiet is being a victim. To stand up for something you believe makes you strong and courageous. How do you get them confused?
how about FOR ONCE, just acknowledging that our frustrations are valid and real, instead of trying to convince us (or maybe it's yourselves you are trying to convince) that they are not.
maybe, just maybe, the continued insistence of men trying to convince women that their feelings/experiences/frustrations are not valid, is part of the problem. think on that for a bit, please.
