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Mechabot 01 wrote:

drew wrote:I don't see what everyone's so freaked out about. No one's selling out. The artist integrity is still intact - Nike isnt asking Skream to change his music. They've respected his creative vision and exposed it to people who otherwise wouldn't have known about it.

Our modern age is all about brands - every time you wear that shirt, or those shoes, or eat or drink that product, or even mention the name of a brand you are promoting it. Dubstep music or not, they are trying anything they can to get you to be a vehicle for their product.

You want to get into the ethics of it? What really finances our culture? I dont think anyones making that much money on their record sales, so lets just say this thing is being fueled by the events. Event's are ultimately paid for by alcohol sales. You wouldn't have a venue to hear this music if alcohol wasn't being sold. People wouldn't go to the event if they couldn't have a drink. Or a place to smoke. No one is talking about the ethics of alcohol companies. I think their products do more harm then a music video network channel.

If you have a problem with dubstep being used to push a brand or product, I think you just have an issue with brands or products.

In my opinion, I say lets milk them for what they got. Money in the dubstep artists pocket just fuels the scene, allows our culture to continue.

Absofuckinlutly spot on bruv!

Overcast Radio wrote:

Mechabot 01 wrote:

drew wrote:I don't see what everyone's so freaked out about. No one's selling out. The artist integrity is still intact - Nike isnt asking Skream to change his music. They've respected his creative vision and exposed it to people who otherwise wouldn't have known about it.

Our modern age is all about brands - every time you wear that shirt, or those shoes, or eat or drink that product, or even mention the name of a brand you are promoting it. Dubstep music or not, they are trying anything they can to get you to be a vehicle for their product.

You want to get into the ethics of it? What really finances our culture? I dont think anyones making that much money on their record sales, so lets just say this thing is being fueled by the events. Event's are ultimately paid for by alcohol sales. You wouldn't have a venue to hear this music if alcohol wasn't being sold. People wouldn't go to the event if they couldn't have a drink. Or a place to smoke. No one is talking about the ethics of alcohol companies. I think their products do more harm then a music video network channel.

If you have a problem with dubstep being used to push a brand or product, I think you just have an issue with brands or products.

In my opinion, I say lets milk them for what they got. Money in the dubstep artists pocket just fuels the scene, allows our culture to continue.

Absofuckinlutly spot on bruv!

Ding ding ding!

drew wrote:
If you have a problem with dubstep being used to push a brand or product, I think you just have an issue with brands or products.

In my opinion, I say lets milk them for what they got. Money in the dubstep artists pocket just fuels the scene, allows our culture to continue.

ThinKing wrote:

skream wrote:I shouldnt even get envolved in all this shit cause i will get mocked...
but fuck it...

i think it's wicked you still come & here to chat to peeps. There's not many music scenes or internet boards where your average punter/clubber/record buyer can chat with well-known artists. Bigup Skreamz.

Overcast Radio wrote:One more thing before I go back to working on movie trailer music...you want your head to spin? Look at your retirement fund, or your bosses', or your bank of choice, or your co-op apt you live in. Look at all the funds that are invested in, and what a black-hole of cross informing that opens up. Look at where your taxes go even. It's all too much. Look at Time Warner AOL, and where that money goes. It's all too fucking much to take and don't think I haven't had some Mosquito Coast moments where I wanted to pack my fam up and build a cabin in the mountains, hunt, fish, solar, the whole nine. I'm exhausted from the last 8 years of bullshit in the US. I'll take your money FOX News! I deserve it after this administration. In fact, I bet that money is really mine anyway...where's our 2.3 TRILLION in missing tax dollars? It's economic and cultural war out there!

Mechabot 01 wrote:
Totally, unless your gonna opt out of society you have to play their game to your own advantage. No'one has the right to tell you how to play that game, it's an individual thing that suits the individual as everyone's personal situation is different.

Surely this thread can be brought to a close now.

struggle wrote:all of you =

human? wrote:

Mechabot 01 wrote:
Totally, unless your gonna opt out of society you have to play their game to your own advantage. No'one has the right to tell you how to play that game, it's an individual thing that suits the individual as everyone's personal situation is different.

Surely this thread can be brought to a close now.

ugh, this bothers me.

if its a individual personal situation, surely those who feel inclined should feel free to have this convo without it being "brought to a close" by the "you have to play their game"

fuck that nonsense tbh.. its just that, a game. "they" made the rules, and its a fucking setup, that you WILL lose.

sorry.

if you WANT to play that game, go for it, i aint mad at you... but you are arguing against & reinforcing a position at the same time... im personally saying, fuck red bull and scion... thats all..


and yo, its def fresh that skream is up in this, dont ever stop dude, you are the peoples choice because you are there with them...

skream wrote:

Reptilian wrote:

skream wrote:yo reptillian, how long u been envolved in the "scene"?

well i've djing garage/grime/dubstep since like 2003 but only for fun, promoting and djing nights up north where i live and working in a record shop

guess my only involvement in the "scene" is from reading the forum and listening to radio shows and buying records.

look, i know this thread might come across like im digging at you for doing the nike thing but i'm not. its more of a general observation about things seemingly getting more mainstream and commercial. that was just a recent example. im a guitarist and personally i wouldn't do ads but i respect your decision to do the nike thing.

if you want to make nike look good then fair play to you

fair play, i shouldnt even get envolved in this shit....but i cant help it so....

At the end of the day i make music for a living....
Things like the nike project are a big thing for me.....
I make music for "underground" heads...actually i make music end of....
dubstep may not be around forever so i need to think about my future...

I shouldnt even get envolved in all this shit cause i will get mocked...
but fuck it...

skream wrote:fair play, i shouldnt even get envolved in this shit....but i cant help it so....

At the end of the day i make music for a living....
Things like the nike project are a big thing for me.....
I make music for "underground" heads...actually i make music end of....
dubstep may not be around forever so i need to think about my future...

I shouldnt even get envolved in all this shit cause i will get mocked...
but fuck it...

Mechabot 01 wrote:

human? wrote:

Mechabot 01 wrote:
Totally, unless your gonna opt out of society you have to play their game to your own advantage. No'one has the right to tell you how to play that game, it's an individual thing that suits the individual as everyone's personal situation is different.

Surely this thread can be brought to a close now.

ugh, this bothers me.

if its a individual personal situation, surely those who feel inclined should feel free to have this convo without it being "brought to a close" by the "you have to play their game"

fuck that nonsense tbh.. its just that, a game. "they" made the rules, and its a fucking setup, that you WILL lose.

sorry.

if you WANT to play that game, go for it, i aint mad at you... but you are arguing against & reinforcing a position at the same time... im personally saying, fuck red bull and scion... thats all..


and yo, its def fresh that skream is up in this, dont ever stop dude, you are the peoples choice because you are there with them...

You have completly misconstrued me bruv, the game I'm refering to is life in western society. Your living it just the same as I am, you don't have the right to tell me how to play it the same as I don't have the right to tell you how to play it. I'm not talking about Scion etc etc, didn't once mention them in my posts.

I'm not reinforcing anything, re read my posts before jumping down my throat.

To break it down for you, most people (in fact everyone who uses the internet pretty much) use products supplied by corporations, unless you completly opt out of the system (which you clearly don't, as your sat at a computer using an internet connection) you can't escape using products supplied by corporations. So we have 2 main choices -

1) bury your head in the sand and join the ranks of the sheeple

2) use the system to your own advantage whilst being aware of what the system is, how it works and what the goals are of those who control it.

The reason I asked for it to be brought to a close is because it becomes pretty stupid when post after post people are gunning others for working with corporations when you are using a service supplied by one to make such a statement.

Do you not see the the hypocracy in that?

So again, please read my posts more carefully if you want to gun me, otherwise you make yourself look silly when your completly off base.