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I don't think the doors can be closed once they are open. Maybe your individual door may be closed, but overall once it's out there it's out there. People still play drums after how many thousands of years? Orchestral productions and compositions are still being made.Kuma wrote:One door closes, another opens to the dance floor.
Let me alter that..one perceived door..and i'm in no way making reference to myself...Surface_Tension wrote:I don't think the doors can be closed once they are open. Maybe your individual door may be closed, but overall once it's out there it's out there. People still play drums after how many thousands of years? Orchestral productions and compositions are still being made.Kuma wrote:One door closes, another opens to the dance floor.
Is how I read that, was picturing some pissed off girlfriend coming to the dance now he's into FunkyDJ Whistla wrote:disgruntled dubsteppers missus
the early beat patterns in the first funky stuff i heard on rinse is nearly exactly the feel of the stuff that pal joey made famous in nyc 20 years ago. check out soho "hot music" for example. that switch up feel with the double bass drum pads...thats pal joey's sound. he's a ny house legend now.WheelchairPrince wrote:What like? I'd be very interested.seckle wrote:late 80's NY house is so close to the beginning stages of UK funky that its not funny. i'm not saying that people copied people, but i could show you many tunes from 1989-1990 that could be played on any of the rinse funky slots and you'd have no idea it was 20 years ago.
love this tune!seckle wrote: soho (aka pal joey, aka joey longo from nyc) "hot music"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMNwJtbt_U
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Yes!drew wrote:It saddens me that everyone's answer to fix whats wrong with dubstep is to jump ship and dive straight into.... house music?
Lets keep pushing things FWD
Thanks for these, really like the thrill me remix, its not cheap on discogs though!seckle wrote:the early beat patterns in the first funky stuff i heard on rinse is nearly exactly the feel of the stuff that pal joey made famous in nyc 20 years ago. check out soho "hot music" for example. that switch up feel with the double bass drum pads...thats pal joey's sound. he's a ny house legend now.WheelchairPrince wrote:What like? I'd be very interested.seckle wrote:late 80's NY house is so close to the beginning stages of UK funky that its not funny. i'm not saying that people copied people, but i could show you many tunes from 1989-1990 that could be played on any of the rinse funky slots and you'd have no idea it was 20 years ago.
http://www.paljoeymusic.com/news.html
soho (aka pal joey, aka joey longo from nyc) "hot music"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMNwJtbt_U
this is just a quick run through some other names for you guys. there's so much ny house, from 1988-1992. it dominated. it was also big in baltimore, philly and a few other cities on the east coast.
check out anything on youtube from nu groove records, ronald or rheji burrell (brothers), Pal Joey, Bobby Konders, etc.
apt 1a 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAc6XahQaX0
women beat their men 1989
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2m7G41yuHY
thrill me (masters at work) 1992
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wSPHC41R-I
ft greene house 1990
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxvmLr6Uruo
secret code 1991
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8Cxcd_Z1A
nite life 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZvxG_p45P8
its all over my face 1994
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDFHKqUK8rc
nu groove records documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tvAb_5okoU
No it hasn't.human? wrote:with dubstep... its absolutely been a worldwide and primarily internet based phenomena
100% agree.dq wrote:I'm not talking about abandoning it. It's precisely because it means so much to me that I think it needs to be saved from itself, and the producers who are inspired by funky, wonky, techno, house, whatever are the people who for me are staying true to what made dubstep exciting in the first place because they are daring to experiment with unexpected sounds/textures/tempos/etc. What Untold, Ramadanman, LV, Shortstuff, Geiom, Brackles just to name a few have done has given me renewed excitement in dubstep just when it seemed to be headed down a hopeless dead end. So it's not really about ditching dubstep for funky, but rather feeling like the emergence of funky has opened up new possibilites for dubstep that have made it better.drew wrote:Rather then abandon it for its faults, Id rather guide people towards what's right. There are many people discovering dubstep still and I plan to continue my role in working with them to ensure its presented the right way.
You can go back as far as you like. You can go back to disco or funk or samba or R&B or all the way back to New Orleans if you like. I don't see why people feel the need to put an arbitrary year zero on everything.86 Position wrote:Am I reaching to say, even further back with disco?Uncle Bill wrote:Yeah, I agree with that. That's why I don't like the whole Nuum idea too much. Any theory of rave music that doesn't include the original House music is pretty worthless. House is a key influence on everything that came after it and it's good to hear that influence re-stated every now and again.WheelchairPrince wrote:I think this balance is achieved by funky in lots of ways.Uncle Bill wrote:
I think I know what Reynolds and Co mean by "feminine pressure" though. It's about a balance of elements that are steretypically masculine (weighty bass, aggressive beats - pressure) with ones that are stereotypically feminine (synth pads, breathy vocals, atmosphere) in a single piece of music. Getting this balance right has been the recipe for some of the best rave music over the years.
A lot of dubstep is overly macho and could be described as metalstep and vice versa with funky you get a load of stuff I wouldn't be seen dead moving to like head shoulder's knees and toes. They'll be rubbish at both ends but as long as they're not distinct they will always crash back together and you'll have things like Hyph Mngo. I also think that the appreciation of house which funky added to the appreciation of garage within dubstep adds a better shared history but I don't know how well house fits into the 'nuum'.
Actually I don't think I'm reaching at all...
not a bad shout..Corpsey wrote: Bring back House Party!
i felt the same when it became apparant in 2007 that house n funky were cannibalizing grime's audience. house to me had become this bloated, formula-d commercial business, i wanted nothing to do with it.drew wrote:It saddens me that everyone's answer to fix whats wrong with dubstep is to jump ship and dive straight into.... house music?
YES.Corpsey wrote:I love you guys
Good thread.
I think it was obviously going to piss people off that dubstep changed from what made it so special in 2005 and yeah a lot of raves now you'll hear wobble wobble wobble all fucking night but when you think about how dubstep started out as a marginal thing you can see a lot more potential in the margins that currently exist on the scene.
What really excites me is the prospect of people making tunes expressly for these DJs that are playing all kinds of stuff - chucking in samples, cheesy pianos/female vocals, garage organ stabs, breakbeats etc.
Also seeing Joker at Brainfeeder play 'Who's Afraid Of Detroit' pitched up massively - in a warehouse. That sense of freedom. Bring back House Party!