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wooda916 wrote:

ThinKing wrote:this is a completely absurd thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges

why? Apples and oranges are differant things but you can still compare the taste...

oh good grief, it's the concept you plonker. You can't say one's better than the other because there is no way to compare them.

You can say "I like DnB better because..." or whatever, or you could say "this dubstep tune is better than that one because...", but trying to say one is specifically, empirically better than the other is absurd.


Cars are better than motorbikes because they have a roof to keep you dry. Oh no wait, but motorbikes are faster and don't get stuck in traffic jams. No, cars are better cos you have a stereo and air-con. No, hang on, I can pull wheelies on my motorbike and it looks cool. Ah, wait cars are much safer. Yes, but motorbikes are more exciting. Erm....

I think I'll just go and read the retard magnet thread.

"in your opinion which i better"

doesn't even make sense anyway

DNB = HANDJOBS DUBSTEP = BLOWJOBS

Dubstep hasn't lasted as long but now I've got teeth marks all over my bell-end.

ThinKing wrote:

wooda916 wrote:

ThinKing wrote:this is a completely absurd thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges

why? Apples and oranges are different things but you can still compare the taste...

oh good grief, it's the concept you plonker. You can't say one's better than the other because there is no way to compare them.

You can say "I like DnB better because..." or whatever, or you could say "this dubstep tune is better than that one because...", but trying to say one is specifically, empirically better than the other is absurd.


Cars are better than motorbikes because they have a roof to keep you dry. Oh no wait, but motorbikes are faster and don't get stuck in traffic jams. No, cars are better cos you have a stereo and air-con. No, hang on, I can pull wheelies on my motorbike and it looks cool. Ah, wait cars are much safer. Yes, but motorbikes are more exciting. Erm....

I think I'll just go and read the retard magnet thread.

yea, so you can weigh up the pros and cons of both and decide which you prefer overall. Hence why you get bikers and car enthusiasts, hence why you get dnb heads and dubstep heads, hence why you can decide based on all the factors which one you favour more. i.e one has slightly more pros than cons etc. No-one (well, not me anyway) is "specifically or empirically" trying to determine which one is better, it is, ofcourse, a matter of opinion.

Ofcourse you can compare the two, saying it is absurd is... well, absurd! and i don't appreciate the patronising or unfriendly tone. I clearly am familiar with the concept of apples and oranges and what the saying means, however, i dont think you can use it in this case as the two sounds are not that dis-similar, in culture, the fact they are both bass driven and many many other things. That sort of response was uncalled for.

Apples used to be good until Pendulum started hiding razorblades in them

That's when all the student nu rave pricks started biting into them just cos it was 'edgy' all of a sudden

executive steve wrote:Well, I've a hell of a lot more DnB records, and it's still the bulk of what i buy, for better or worse... Personally i think it's unfortunate that Dubstep is currently repeating all the mistakes that DnB made, only in a shorter space of time...

What excited me about dubstep was the fact that there was finally a new style of urban sample based music that was more about the rollout and the sub bass and the subtle rhythmical changes than it was about the impact or the big drop, and the spotlight of publicity has changed that utterly; personally i blame the UK student night circuit, long a refuge for the worst variety of plastic predictable shite in DnB...

Having said that, I'm immensely grateful for the effect that Dubstep has had on DnB as a whole; it's ironic that just as Dubstep absorbed all the worst bits of DnB in the past 18 months - huuge drops, horrid midrange, Crissy Cris, "Pendulum Snares" etc that DnB has absorbed a load of the best bits of Dubstep, rediscovering elements that used to be part and parcel of the way things were done; space, dynamics, huge subs, minimalism as more than an excuse to just copy and paste a wack loop for 6 minutes...


Personally i think the future of the two genres is very much intertwined, and i think it's really interesting to what will happen to the rhythmical space between the two genres - I'd love to be able to start a set with Dubstep and progress up to DnB without having to make any really big tempo changes; when people start writing DnB at 145 or writing Dubstep at 155 and retaining the subtlety and the funk and the VIBES that are the hallmarks of both genres at their finest, that will be the way forward i think... Those Autonomic podcasts are only a hint of what's to come in my opinion...



Shouts to anyone keeping it real, no love to those who sold their souls...

i like this post, echoes my sentiments exactly. i've been doing a few soulful jungle/d&b kinda things at 140 lately, it's a wicked speed to roll out, still kinda experimenting with it but one of the better experiments ('body & soul') was released on the 'liquid v club sessions 3' cd compilation last month, check it out

bandshell wrote:I love dubstep and jungle but not a d n b fan at all.

More or less agree. Accept to say I find dnb just more boring than jungle.

ThinKing wrote:

wooda916 wrote:

ThinKing wrote:No, cars are better cos you have a stereo

yes... cars win

eveson wrote:

executive steve wrote:Well, I've a hell of a lot more DnB records, and it's still the bulk of what i buy, for better or worse... Personally i think it's unfortunate that Dubstep is currently repeating all the mistakes that DnB made, only in a shorter space of time...

What excited me about dubstep was the fact that there was finally a new style of urban sample based music that was more about the rollout and the sub bass and the subtle rhythmical changes than it was about the impact or the big drop, and the spotlight of publicity has changed that utterly; personally i blame the UK student night circuit, long a refuge for the worst variety of plastic predictable shite in DnB...

Having said that, I'm immensely grateful for the effect that Dubstep has had on DnB as a whole; it's ironic that just as Dubstep absorbed all the worst bits of DnB in the past 18 months - huuge drops, horrid midrange, Crissy Cris, "Pendulum Snares" etc that DnB has absorbed a load of the best bits of Dubstep, rediscovering elements that used to be part and parcel of the way things were done; space, dynamics, huge subs, minimalism as more than an excuse to just copy and paste a wack loop for 6 minutes...


Personally i think the future of the two genres is very much intertwined, and i think it's really interesting to what will happen to the rhythmical space between the two genres - I'd love to be able to start a set with Dubstep and progress up to DnB without having to make any really big tempo changes; when people start writing DnB at 145 or writing Dubstep at 155 and retaining the subtlety and the funk and the VIBES that are the hallmarks of both genres at their finest, that will be the way forward i think... Those Autonomic podcasts are only a hint of what's to come in my opinion...



Shouts to anyone keeping it real, no love to those who sold their souls...

i like this post, echoes my sentiments exactly. i've been doing a few soulful jungle/d&b kinda things at 140 lately, it's a wicked speed to roll out, still kinda experimenting with it but one of the better experiments ('body & soul') was released on the 'liquid v club sessions 3' cd compilation last month, check it out

check out some j-tek, jungle techno fusion stuff at 140-150, not alot of people doing it but went to a night a couple months back and it was quality! old skool vibes. Randall's one person really trying to revitalise the sound.

Corpsey wrote:DNB = HANDJOBS DUBSTEP = BLOWJOBS

Dubstep hasn't lasted as long but now I've got teeth marks all over my bell-end.

Dubstep, in my opinion, is a far more evolved rhythm. The genre owes tons to DnB and jungle, sure, but only because those forms pushed the subbass and the broken-beat elements to one super-fast conclusion and have appeared to go no further. Dubstep intensifies the elements of dnb because it demands and continues to present much stronger samples in its beats than any electronic music has been able to before. ie The snares in dubstep/half-step are unparalleled. The high hat variations in dubstep are endless because of its forgiving speed, but in DnB are much more standardized.

Ultimately, dubstep gets its strength from its mystical slow-yet-fast tempo. Even the nastiest fucking Spor or Apex tune is still slain by an Excision or 16bit tune in terms of badassery, and it's not because the sounds are any stronger (though one might argue they are), it's because 140BPM is a more appropriate tempo for conveying pure dirt.

That is a hideously hard call to make! Dubstep wouldn't really be where it is now if it wasn't for jungle... and you have to appreciate that, nothing fucks me off more than when dubstep heads bag on drum n bass and/or jungle... Personally went for dubstep because it's much more my vibe these days than DnB, but DnB was where it all started for me.. gotta have love.

executive steve wrote:Well, I've a hell of a lot more DnB records, and it's still the bulk of what i buy, for better or worse... Personally i think it's unfortunate that Dubstep is currently repeating all the mistakes that DnB made, only in a shorter space of time...

What excited me about dubstep was the fact that there was finally a new style of urban sample based music that was more about the rollout and the sub bass and the subtle rhythmical changes than it was about the impact or the big drop, and the spotlight of publicity has changed that utterly; personally i blame the UK student night circuit, long a refuge for the worst variety of plastic predictable shite in DnB...

Having said that, I'm immensely grateful for the effect that Dubstep has had on DnB as a whole; it's ironic that just as Dubstep absorbed all the worst bits of DnB in the past 18 months - huuge drops, horrid midrange, Crissy Cris, "Pendulum Snares" etc that DnB has absorbed a load of the best bits of Dubstep, rediscovering elements that used to be part and parcel of the way things were done; space, dynamics, huge subs, minimalism as more than an excuse to just copy and paste a wack loop for 6 minutes...


Personally i think the future of the two genres is very much intertwined, and i think it's really interesting to what will happen to the rhythmical space between the two genres - I'd love to be able to start a set with Dubstep and progress up to DnB without having to make any really big tempo changes; when people start writing DnB at 145 or writing Dubstep at 155 and retaining the subtlety and the funk and the VIBES that are the hallmarks of both genres at their finest, that will be the way forward i think... Those Autonomic podcasts are only a hint of what's to come in my opinion...



Shouts to anyone keeping it real, no love to those who sold their souls...

i dig this post. here is a person (like the person who started this thread) who is not frightened by a little thinking. If you don't have an opinion, don't just shoot down the thread. Get informed and create your own opinion. Otherwise what are you doing with your time? you're just a sheep otherwise, right? if somebody who regularly voices their honest opinion digs a track or a mix you've made, at least you know they're being honest.

so funny i should stumble upon this thread tonight... i was just listening to a mix that begins with dubs and ends in dnb as i drove home from work, blazing a spliff and sipping brews. Lately i listen to dubstep a lot more than dnb, simply because i don't have the mental and financial resources to be up to date in both genres. however, when the dnb section started, i was totally loving it. i listened to that shit for years almost exclusively before becoming a dubstepper.

someone mentioned earlier how they think instra mental etc are the only producers who are currently creating the good shit as far as dnb is concerned. i do kind of see where you're coming from. also, HAVE YOU HEARD THAT SPECTRASOUL TUNE "MELODIES" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrw9XHaEqkU) that's the sort of tune that brings some real legitimacy to drum and bass. i mean wow. if you don't dig that shit, i can't help you. it's a movement away from those horrible canned buildups and general overproduction that dubstep is kind of absorbing now.

having said that, can you imagine dubstep without the influence of drum and bass? would you have even gravitated toward the genre if not for your love of drum and bass?

i dig this kind of thread because it stimulates intelligent discussion. as much as i like to get retarded at a party and dance with the rest of the punters, i think it's important to really listen and observe the way things evolve and influence eachother. it just proves to me that there are other people listening as intently as i am and noticing patterns etc.

im always down for a little healthy discussion.

The fusion of Gabba & Trance created the super genre Gabbarance. This genre poops all over Dubstep & DnB. Period!

We can now end this thread.


P.S. The Dubstep I like is better than DnB.

eveson wrote: ('body & soul') was released on the 'liquid v club sessions 3' cd compilation last month, check it out

This sounds nice, been meaning to check you playing out in Bristol as been hearing good things!

In my opinion you can compare the evolution of dnb to rock music. When rock music first came out everythying was fresh and original, beatles rolling stones etc. But nowadays you have to dig deeper for something worth listening to. Its a similar story with dnb, there's some quality releases like cyantific empty streets (which sounds like its influenced by burial in my opinion), commix' fabric mix, also autonomic stuff. I think thats why its easy to slag off dnb because most jump up sounds the same, and dj hazard tunes are awful and thats what i mainly seem to hear out.

So overall i prefer dnb but i seem to be buying mainly dubstep at the moment.

Godflesh Fiend wrote:The fusion of Gabba & Trance created the super genre Gabbarance. This genre poops all over Dubstep & DnB. Period!

We can now end this thread.


P.S. The Dubstep I like is better than DnB.

It's all about the Bulgarian stuff these days mate; they've integrated dancehall influences with it to make Neo-Folk-Gabba-Ragga-Trance



But yeah, DnB doesn't have Mala, but Dubstep doesn't have Equinox so I reckon it's a tie.

johnboy01 wrote:.

Yeah mate, Spectrasoul are getting more interesting with every release, when they started putting out tunes they were really bland polite and boring, but they've really been stepping up their game - i've been battering that Ramadanman remix of "Organiser"...


Have a gander for the Rockwell DOA mix, and the D:Bridge and SP Rinse FM radio mix (not the live recording from FWD), that's the future right there!

wooda916 wrote:
check out some j-tek, jungle techno fusion stuff at 140-150, not alot of people doing it but went to a night a couple months back and it was quality! old skool vibes. Randall's one person really trying to revitalise the sound.

Yeah, a mate of mine has a J-Tek label - he's basically just been releasing Jungle at 142bpm... Have a gander for a label called "Space 2 Pace"...


http://www.dto4music.co.uk/labelmp3.php ... 202%20Pace

Jungle Tekno