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OfficialDAPT wrote: The ableton stock vocoder seems to work pretty well although I don't have anything to compare it to.

Yeah from what I've seen it looks pretty nice, I'd say it gives a different sound from the vocodex though, which I feel is a little warmer. Gets a bit muddy sometimes though, it takes away a lot of highs so I usually split my frequencies cause of that. Don't have too much experience with the ableton one though so can't say for sure.

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OfficialDAPT wrote: The ableton stock vocoder seems to work pretty well although I don't have anything to compare it to.

Yeah from what I've seen it looks pretty nice, I'd say it gives a different sound from the vocodex though, which I feel is a little warmer. Gets a bit muddy sometimes though, it takes away a lot of highs so I usually split my frequencies cause of that. Don't have too much experience with the ableton one though so can't say for sure.

I find that whenever I use the vocoder in Ableton I end up loosing some of the dynamics that define the growl. Idk, maybe I just am not able to utilize it properly. However I do find that frequency splitting and/or mixing in a second instance of the same growl with a stock Ableton phaser on it can be a really good way to get some definition. But for that I very specifically modulate the frequency and feedback values to suit the particular growl's movement. Also crank that envelope all the way down. Here's an example from a track I'm currently working on; would be happy to talk more about the growls if anyone's interested:

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**Note: The growls are kinda "hidden" since I have yet to finish this, meaning missing parts, no mixing or EQing, etc.**

Some nice growls happening in this one. I'm cool with giving info, I'm not posting screenshots though, that would be a waste of time and effort.

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Sure_Fire wrote:Fuck I need to release an EP

haha the new release quality test: can you make growl basses? lol. but naaa man, you should actually! do you have any plans for one soon?

Some nice growls in there sure_fire, i like the "rooooi" sounds that feauture early on.

I'd let the track breathe though - that waveform is so fat haha, its just constant sound and gets a little fatigueing.

This latest thing I've been making has some growlesque sounds, but they're kind of just midrangey stuff opposed to proper vocal growls.

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Sure_Fire wrote:Some nice growls happening in this one. I'm cool with giving info, I'm not posting screenshots though, that would be a waste of time and effort.

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Sick shit dude, i would love to be pointed in the direction for how you made those really mid-y growls at like 53-56, been trying to make some shit like that for a while

Also to contribute to the thread, i made this growlly bass today resampling a bunch of filter sweeps in WOW over a wacky ass patch i made in FM8, then rendered out a bunch of different variations, loaded them into abletons sampler, plugged in some random notes and then adjusted the sample start until it sounded cool. will go into more detail if anyone's interested

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8645029/growliewowlie.wav

also as a fun fact. there is no distortion at all added to this bass or in FM8 besides turning up the overdrive in WOW slightly

Sure_Fire wrote:Some nice growls happening in this one. I'm cool with giving info, I'm not posting screenshots though, that would be a waste of time and effort.

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Agreed, that "Roii" sound is very interesting. It has a lot of definition and character, please explain how that particular sound is made if possible. Thanks. Cool track as well

surefire's bass sounds are legit. There is one spot that sounds remarkably like something from "in for the kill"

nice work dude!

Holy shit surefire, that was tits. The first growl has such amazing low end, really clean and warm. Really well done man. Awesome melodies too

Dunno if this counts as growls but I talk my growl theory and applied it elsewhere. Basically used chopped segments of growlish synths as sort of warped wooshing noises in a percussive manner. Def not a dubstep growl but I wonder if ppl can tell if it has the same root design.

didn't know how to link to the correct time but the sounds are roughly around 19 seconds in

been workin on some growls lately... not using massive anymore. here is a WIP:

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What you guys think of the growls on the last song that i did using massive. They start at the drop at 0.59 into the song.I tried to something different than a Yoi etc
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Updated my squelchy growls:

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@rockonin: Not a fan of the stuff on the drop, like the ones at 1:10 ish - the ones on the drop need more weight.

@Subflex: I like the vocal quality but again I think you need more weight or maybe modulation from filter sweeps.

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that was sick! very pro sounding imo well done song and structure and whatever so yeah!!

um it might just be me but i feel like it would sound cooler if you took some stuff OUT of it. sounds a bit too busy with too much release on certain things (thinking of dub sounds, snares)... to soaked and effected so they take away from the rawness of the kick and bass sounds

then again my dubstep track are always ridiculously barron to the point where they sound empty.. but still i think you could widdle it down a bit

Sure_Fire wrote:Some nice growls happening in this one. I'm cool with giving info, I'm not posting screenshots though, that would be a waste of time and effort.

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I would love for you to point us in the right direction when it comes to those growls

mthrfnk wrote:Some nice growls in there sure_fire, i like the "rooooi" sounds that feauture early on.

I'd let the track breathe though - that waveform is so fat haha, its just constant sound and gets a little fatigueing.

This latest thing I've been making has some growlesque sounds, but they're kind of just midrangey stuff opposed to proper vocal growls.

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So much power in that track, love it man.

Thanks guys

@Neon: I get what you mean, I've aready taken some other synths out - think I might remove the guitar skanks from the drop since they're just in the background and push the main lead harder. Also I think I might manually tweak some of the volumes of the midrange to prevent them bleeding together - hopefully to get a cleaner sounding track.

Basically, I like to take my reese, take the squealchy high off and add a more deep osc. Also slap some vocoder down on it.
Making a mouth shape eq, and modulate the two peaks to almost touch. I'll go further in depth when i get home

Using some of what mthrfnk and others have said, I came up with this; feedback would be greatly apreciated!
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(Ignore shitty composition)

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Made this vocal growl the other day, any feedback would be much appreciated, don't focus on the arrangement I just put these drums/sound effects together just now

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axolotl-dubstep wrote:Made this vocal growl the other day, any feedback would be much appreciated, don't focus on the arrangement I just put these drums/sound effects together just now

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Cowman?