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If there is anyone who wishes to think - or explore - paradigms outside the tradition of Western Philosohpy I would recommend Emmanuel Levinas.

Although extremely dense and hard to penetrate, it is incredible.

Slothrop wrote:I'll buy you a drink if you go to one of his lectures, wait until he makes a particularly significant point, and then call for a rewind on it.

that's the funniest thing i've read in ages.

nine's book is nearing completion, i believe.

Djslate wrote:If there is anyone who wishes to think - or explore - paradigms outside the tradition of Western Philosohpy I would recommend Emmanuel Levinas.

Although extremely dense and hard to penetrate, it is incredible.

I don't think that is very outside the Tradition of Western Philosophy

Epithet try not to be small minded, they develop really good answers to the question about moral frameworks you are asking. I don't know much about philosophy from other cultures let alone Oceanic ones, philosophy isn't really my field either, but I suspect that the very questions you are asking are framed by Western modes of thinking and really I would only want to be interested in other cultures for their own sake and not as a form of pseudo self-debasement which is actually probably a form of self-aggrandisement in trying to take some kind moral highground. Peace.

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Err, it comes very close. Can't really be bothered to go into it, would take long to explain, try Colin Davis, Levinas: An Introduction.

Not so much small minded bribkin, just looking to find something that is culturally relevent to who and where i am. I'm polynesian living in NZ. Maybe if i was euro/amero and living there i'd care more about that stuff but i'm not, so i dont. I guess I'm trying to open others minds to thinking outside their own culturally conditioned philosophical box while getting some pointers relative to mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativism

Thanks for the pointer to Levinas Slate.

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No worries. Sounds like it is exactly what your after; an investigation of the other.

lol I don't need an introduction to Levinas safe though. The foundation of his thinking is Judaism though so it depends where you think that fits into western philosophy.

What I am saying is that by in calling cultures that aren't yours 'other', then you are starting from a framework where your interest in them is such, as 'other', which essentially means you are still thinking about them from a western centred position. get me.

I don't think that makes philosophies like Levinas invaluable, I just think that all this talk about 'other' has been going on for most of a century now and people get all excited about studying 'the other' in a way that is kind of weirdly voyeuristic and starts to make you wonder about the psychology of it.....

safe epithet tho apologies i hope you see waht i am saying good luck in your search

bribkin wrote:in calling cultures that aren't yours 'other', then you are starting from a framework where your interest in them is such, as 'other', which essentially means you are still thinking about them from a western centred position. get me.

safe epithet tho apologies i hope you see waht i am saying good luck in your search

It's all good, but sorry I still don't quite get what you mean. How should i be thinking of them, as the same not other ? Cultures and their philosophies do tend to remain for the most part exclusive. Cross pollenation tends only to happen in a colonial sense and relatively recently. In searching i seem always to be drawn back to the dreaming.
http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... MTIME1.pdf

stanton wrote:Is anyone going to filming/recording Steve Goodman's talk?

At Steve's request his talk will not be recorded.

You have to respect his choice - the book isn't out til next year!

Anyone interested should think about making the trip up Admission is free....

this has probably been mentioned before, but kode 9 is doing a talk on hauntology at the museum of garden history on may 12th. k-punk and jon wozencroft (touch label head) will also be speaking as part of the symposium

epithet wrote:

bribkin wrote:in calling cultures that aren't yours 'other', then you are starting from a framework where your interest in them is such, as 'other', which essentially means you are still thinking about them from a western centred position. get me.

safe epithet tho apologies i hope you see waht i am saying good luck in your search

It's all good, but sorry I still don't quite get what you mean. How should i be thinking of them, as the same not other ? Cultures and their philosophies do tend to remain for the most part exclusive. Cross pollenation tends only to happen in a colonial sense and relatively recently. In searching i seem always to be drawn back to the dreaming.
http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/bo ... MTIME1.pdf

I mean why do you have to think of it as either same or other


yes bruvs we were discussing the hauntology talk and I am very upset because I can't come thanks so much for reminding me ha ha

bribkin wrote: I mean why do you have to think of it as either same or other

It's the relativist in me, constantly making comparisons.

How do you think if not in that context ?

bribkin wrote:lol I don't need an introduction to Levinas safe though.

Sorry, didn't mean to be patronising.

I guess it just depends on how much influence you think Levinas' Judaism has on his theories. Personally I don't think this precludes any kind of Western allegiance...