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Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:37 pm
by Roflrilla
borrowed wrote:Roflrilla wrote:CD's and Digital Downloads don't have any quality control. Anyone can put out any old shite on the internet for download.
If something makes it to vinyl, it usually means its worth it and someone believes in it enough to go through the hassle and costs of making it happen.
CDJ's are cool. I don't hate them, but I have more respect for a DJ who plays the majority of his tunes on vinyl.
CD's are expendable which is why most pedantic music stnuc hate them. Quickly bang out a tune, burn it to CD, play it the same night - see how it goes off, cool. This is why I don't like CD's - not CDJ's.
Oh yeah, when was the last time you left a vinyl on the deck? Probably half as many times as you've left a CD in the CDJ at a club.
So you're saying:
Vinyls are good because it "means its worth it and someone believes in it"
Digital is bad because " Anyone can put out any old shite on the internet for download"
Did I miss something? If I upload something, thats choosing to upload and publish it. Hence why I have one track up, as I don't like the rest. The only difference is price. Regardless, the person buying the music still has to make the decision to fork over the money for it, whether its 20 bucks for a record or .99c for an iTunes download. To say that digital is somehow invalid as a music format because it allows more freedom to producers and buyers is downright bullshit. Take your record player and go back to your cave. I'm surprised you don't use a rotary telephone and ride a horse to work.
I was more implying it from a publishers point of view.
Make shit tune, upload to bandcamp or w/e, sell it for £1 - nothing lost.
or
Make shit tune, spend money on mastering, cutting, distribution - 100's of sterlings lost.
If you're still failing to follow what I mean, then out to you for missing the point.
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:53 pm
by __________
lukki wrote:badger wrote:some of the arguing in this thread is gold
wil blaze wrote:oi... Rob... what have i got to do with any of this?
because of the £10 bag connection i'm guessing
Yeah, his Screen name is "£10 bag" and he is named "Will"
I bet a lot of people think you two are the same person, actually!
Yeah not a lot I can do about that any more really.
I started calling myself "DJ £10 Bag" way before I signed up on here or knew that the label "10 Bag" existed.
I spoke to Wil Blaze or THC about it online and straight-up offered to change my DJ name as soon as I realised the similarity. They were cool with it (at least at the time!) so I've stuck with it and am going to continue to do so.
The £ is the key difference, and we're at opposite ends of the country so there's no massive confusion about it as far as I'm aware.
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:44 am
by borrowed
Roflrilla wrote:borrowed wrote:Roflrilla wrote:CD's and Digital Downloads don't have any quality control. Anyone can put out any old shite on the internet for download.
If something makes it to vinyl, it usually means its worth it and someone believes in it enough to go through the hassle and costs of making it happen.
CDJ's are cool. I don't hate them, but I have more respect for a DJ who plays the majority of his tunes on vinyl.
CD's are expendable which is why most pedantic music stnuc hate them. Quickly bang out a tune, burn it to CD, play it the same night - see how it goes off, cool. This is why I don't like CD's - not CDJ's.
Oh yeah, when was the last time you left a vinyl on the deck? Probably half as many times as you've left a CD in the CDJ at a club.
So you're saying:
Vinyls are good because it "means its worth it and someone believes in it"
Digital is bad because " Anyone can put out any old shite on the internet for download"
Did I miss something? If I upload something, thats choosing to upload and publish it. Hence why I have one track up, as I don't like the rest. The only difference is price. Regardless, the person buying the music still has to make the decision to fork over the money for it, whether its 20 bucks for a record or .99c for an iTunes download. To say that digital is somehow invalid as a music format because it allows more freedom to producers and buyers is downright bullshit. Take your record player and go back to your cave. I'm surprised you don't use a rotary telephone and ride a horse to work.
I was more implying it from a publishers point of view.
Make shit tune, upload to bandcamp or w/e, sell it for £1 - nothing lost.
or
Make shit tune, spend money on mastering, cutting, distribution - 100's of sterlings lost.
If you're still failing to follow what I mean, then out to you for missing the point.
So basically you're saying its harder to get tunes out, and this is somehow better? Are you saying more freedom of choice is worse? Would you rather every car cost $100,000 minimum, because then we'd all be driving 'quality cars'?
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:40 am
by nerve
£10 Bag wrote:1. make controversial thread on dubstepforum.com
2. sell something with zero overhead in aforementioned controversial thread
3. controversy
4. profit
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:58 am
by kizza2435
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:10 pm
by Sentinels
I want one of these....
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:15 pm
by Sentinels
Was thinking I could wear one at the back of Rusko gigs in a sulk.
Kick any ketamine wall huggers in the shin that dare get a drop of their sweat on my chords, t-shirt and mocassin combo.
Maybe bring an ipod with my Untold and Pangea 320s to listen to instead.
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:43 pm
by Wolverine
i think people are starting to get abit harsh in this thread now, especially that guy who posted the pic saying elitist tnuc
everyones entitled to an opinion at the end of the day but some people getting abit out of hand
big ups £10 bag still. like he said he has proberbly got most original dmz vinyls which not many people have and they play a big part in the scene, you aint getting dj's spinning dmz tunes on cd decks thats for sure (unless there fake djs who download vinyl rips or was one of the lucky people to buy it on digital before they stopped)
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:19 pm
by ♫♪♫
Wolverine wrote:big ups £10 bag still. like he said he has proberbly got most original dmz vinyls which not many people have
I'm sure he says a lot of things.
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:29 pm
by the wiggle baron
£10 Bag wrote:aleks zen wrote:u bozzas need to move with the times
I'm Cornish.
AMAZING reply
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:48 pm
by Sentinels
I've bought DMZ001 on white label off of Youngsta in Blackmarket years ago. Same with Hyperdub001. Both in my loft. Does it make my argument more valid? Probably not... coz I recorded them to WAV two years ago for my CDJs... I get about 14.3% less enjoyment when I mix them and listen back on my CDJs, but it is worth it I tells thee. The plastic of the CDJs feels much warmer on my tender palms than the cold, casted steel shells of my old 1210s. Good riddance!
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:58 pm
by Sentinels
Roflrilla wrote:
I was more implying it from a publishers point of view.
Make shit tune, upload to bandcamp or w/e, sell it for £1 - nothing lost.
or
Make shit tune, spend money on mastering, cutting, distribution - 100's of sterlings lost.
If you're still failing to follow what I mean, then out to you for missing the point.
I remember the days of sitting in my record store sifting through a pile of 60 records only for one to be half decent, not much has changed in my opinion. I'd end up buy the 5 off the rack that the shop assistant handed me. Now I tend to buy the 5 at the top of boomkats page, and sack off the 160 records underneath after listening.
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:00 pm
by Sentinels
doublepost.
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:06 pm
by Roflrilla
tbh, like I said earlier, if someone believed in something they would put it to vinyl.
If someone makes and it's shit, nothing lost if they want to sell it, just as kick in the teeth to people who have faith in music distribution.
Ah well, makes finding the gems much more rewarding.
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:13 pm
by wil blaze
£10 Bag wrote:lukki wrote:badger wrote:some of the arguing in this thread is gold
wil blaze wrote:oi... Rob... what have i got to do with any of this?
because of the £10 bag connection i'm guessing
Yeah, his Screen name is "£10 bag" and he is named "Will"
I bet a lot of people think you two are the same person, actually!
Yeah not a lot I can do about that any more really.
I started calling myself "DJ £10 Bag" way before I signed up on here or knew that the label "10 Bag" existed.
I spoke to Wil Blaze or THC about it online and straight-up offered to change my DJ name as soon as I realised the similarity. They were cool with it (at least at the time!) so I've stuck with it and am going to continue to do so.
The £ is the key difference, and we're at opposite ends of the country so there's no massive confusion about it as far as I'm aware.
still am cool with it mate... you probably were called it long before we started the label... the key thing is neither of us were copying the other or whatever... i ain't about to ask anyone to change their dj name! as it goes... i think there was more to the coincidence about the name that led to rob asking if you were me... but that's another story
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:07 pm
by larose
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:38 pm
by Funk Eh
borrowed wrote:Are you saying more freedom of choice is worse? Would you rather every car cost $100,000 minimum, because then we'd all be driving 'quality cars'?
Correction... a few of us would be driving cars.
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:48 pm
by trench
when people suck at using things they hate on them... it's easyer that way. You dont have to learn anything new and it makes you look "cool" to be "sticking to your roots".
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:28 pm
by Wolverine
had a set last night with cdjs and i cant seem to get to grips with them apposed to turntables.
turntables ftw!!!
Re: FUCK CDJS t-shirts...pre-order now!
Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:22 pm
by rob sparx
wil blaze wrote:£10 Bag wrote:lukki wrote:badger wrote:some of the arguing in this thread is gold
wil blaze wrote:oi... Rob... what have i got to do with any of this?
because of the £10 bag connection i'm guessing
Yeah, his Screen name is "£10 bag" and he is named "Will"
I bet a lot of people think you two are the same person, actually!
Yeah not a lot I can do about that any more really.
I started calling myself "DJ £10 Bag" way before I signed up on here or knew that the label "10 Bag" existed.
I spoke to Wil Blaze or THC about it online and straight-up offered to change my DJ name as soon as I realised the similarity. They were cool with it (at least at the time!) so I've stuck with it and am going to continue to do so.
The £ is the key difference, and we're at opposite ends of the country so there's no massive confusion about it as far as I'm aware.
still am cool with it mate... you probably were called it long before we started the label... the key thing is neither of us were copying the other or whatever... i ain't about to ask anyone to change their dj name! as it goes... i think there was more to the coincidence about the name that led to rob asking if you were me... but that's another story
Someone messaged me saying whats the beef with Will Blaze thats why I asked
I've got massive respect for the few DJs left who cut and play purely vinyl like Mala but ppl who get their message wrong and think one digital format is better than another need to stfu - playing at track on serato doesn't make it any warmer than playing it on a cdj its still a digital track. Although the new serato is supposed to sound a lot better pioneers piss all over the old serato for sound quality and reliability which I think is far more important than how it looks or how a rewind sounds.
Its one thing for a DJ who plays mainly other ppls tunes to play vinyl but when your dealing with loads of unreleased wavs it becomes a lot more expensive, I would have had to spend around £5000 on dubs last year (assuming 100 dubs @ £50 each) if I'd been using 100% vinyl either that or compromise on what I play based on what I can which is a pretty retarded thing to do just to make a point of playing vinyl alone
