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I'll play Vinyl out because as much as it's about the music it's also about putting a show on at the end of the day. People want interaction, not some beirdy weirdo hunched over a laptop.

However, I'm a Techy nerd-geek at heart and this just makes me a little bit wet. if I had the cash I'd be all over this:

http://www.djdab.com/dJdAbDoesDigital.htm

This is a very interesting topic but one thing that everyone seems too have missed is that ,If all dubstep dj`s are playing on laptops or whatever digital playback medium they desire then that does not enourage vinyl sales and if the artists cannot make any money from sales then ultimatley the scene could be doomed.Look at the other dance genre`s ....
Is there a link between house or d+b dj`s playind cd`s and falling (house +d+b )vinyl sales ?
Is anyone making any money from digital downloads?
Let the debate begin

blam!!

Moif wrote:if I had the cash I'd be all over this...

Yea that stuff looks hella schweet !

Jtransition wrote:This is a very interesting topic but one thing that everyone seems too have missed is that ,If all dubstep dj`s are playing on laptops or whatever digital playback medium they desire then that does not enourage vinyl sales and if the artists cannot make any money from sales then ultimatley the scene could be doomed.Look at the other dance genre`s ....
Is there a link between house or d+b dj`s playind cd`s and falling (house +d+b )vinyl sales ?
Is anyone making any money from digital downloads?
Let the debate begin

You would say that.

poax wrote:blam!!

get me, last quote killed it, big up transition gang

I see the advantages of the digital mixing tools but still, it doesn't feel (and yes - sound the same) to me.

I love my shelves full of records and not to worry about to lose all of them just because my shitty laptop/harddisk dies.

I love the artwork/look & feel of vinyl and I will never ever buy music on format like MP3 over the internet. Vinyl or rarely a CD.

Personaly, I would be disappointed if a DJ turns up with a memory stick.

metalboxproducts wrote:

Jtransition wrote:This is a very interesting topic but one thing that everyone seems too have missed is that ,If all dubstep dj`s are playing on laptops or whatever digital playback medium they desire then that does not enourage vinyl sales and if the artists cannot make any money from sales then ultimatley the scene could be doomed.Look at the other dance genre`s ....
Is there a link between house or d+b dj`s playind cd`s and falling (house +d+b )vinyl sales ?
Is anyone making any money from digital downloads?
Let the debate begin

You would say that.

I realise that my opinion is biased that`s why i asked the two questions
but if you want to look at this another way the one thing that everyone here has in common is a love of Dubstep, in which case if it all goes wrong we all lose.

Jtransition wrote:This is a very interesting topic but one thing that everyone seems too have missed is that ,If all dubstep dj`s are playing on laptops or whatever digital playback medium they desire then that does not enourage vinyl sales and if the artists cannot make any money from sales then ultimatley the scene could be doomed.Look at the other dance genre`s ....
Is there a link between house or d+b dj`s playind cd`s and falling (house +d+b )vinyl sales ?
Is anyone making any money from digital downloads?
Let the debate begin

the first assumption here is that people who use digital mediums would NEVER buy vinyl, which i have found to be untrue. ya get yer tunes how ya can really, and if that means ripping vinyl, plenty of folks willing to do that too...but the other assumption is that people who buy digital medium are NOT somehow interested in supporting the labels? ummm hello...NO OVERHEAD (i.e. encode that bizness, get it to people thru a site or thru your own). i think that's a pretty nifty way to put money into the label/artist's pockets.

plus, and i think this is probably the most important point here, let's not overlook the bottom line fact that djing, in and of itself, has ALWAYS been a promotional tool to introduce music to an audience. to say that using a laptop does not encourage sales (vinyl or digital) is to miss the point of the inception of the dj. people hear a tune. they go batty. if they are so inclined, they trainspot (you can look at a label on a record OR you can look at a lappy screen OR you can ask the dj)...if they are a nerd like me they input the name of the tune into their cel phone ( ), and then they go call their shop/go to their online shop and find the tune. that's the way it's worked for years, and it ain't gonna stop just because the method of delivery changes. people can say a DJ is based on the medium/method they use, but i disagree entirely. i say a true DJ just really wants people to hear and buy the music they love, and makes it sound really frickin cool in the process.

and this is something i think bears addressing, who drives the market? is it the labels? or is the people who buy the tunes? now obviously in dubstep there is a hell of a lot of love for vinyl (as well there should be), but i see quite a good chunk willing to shell out for digital files too. so the assumption i have to go with is that a label/scene that caters to BOTH, ultimately will keep itself going just fine.

i just talked to the owner of the techno label i am on, and he said (at least in techno), the initial hit that labels took from digital sales has started to even out and the vinyl sales are heading upward again. the newness of the digital medium is wearing off, and people are figuring out that sometimes it's great to be able to grab the tune and go, and sometimes it's nice to get that box of new records in the mail (mmm...that new record smell). it's just two different ways of delivering the same fucking thing.

How can you say ppl who mix mp3's wont buy records, thats what it was and stil is all about for me.

The reason I use Serato is simple. I get to many tracks which are good enough to play but I cannot fund the cutting cost. Jason if you started doing dubs at a tenner a go I'd give you my serato box! Its purely a money Vs shitloadsa new beats thing. My listeners expect new beats n for me to do that n pay my bills I have to use serato. I'd not use it in a club tho, I'll go cutting for that but its not easy to fund a dub habit.

Just look at our man N-Type, he aint eaten in weeks, lives in a box in deepest darkest Rehill n begs so he can fund his habbit (JOKES Type, but you are a lil dub whore n you know it )

I still say long live plastic, I've grown up with it n still by it, from my first Michael Jackson Record (Bad which I still have) to the Kromestar track I bought today, "It aint neva gonna stop"

I often hear people say vinyl sounds better 'cause of the techniques used in the mastering/cutting stage. Any mileage in this?

here's my set up:

blood_on_neon wrote:I often hear people say vinyl sounds better 'cause of the techniques used in the mastering/cutting stage. Any mileage in this?

lots methinks....

[quote="blood_on_neon"]I often hear people say vinyl sounds better 'cause of the techniques used in the mastering/cutting stage. Any mileage in this?[/quote]


heres a good read on the subject

http://www.nubreaks.com/forum/index.php ... e4026783ec

Cheers for that Konehead. Worth reading.

Jtransition wrote:This is a very interesting topic but one thing that everyone seems too have missed is that ,If all dubstep dj`s are playing on laptops or whatever digital playback medium they desire then that does not enourage vinyl sales and if the artists cannot make any money from sales then ultimatley the scene could be doomed.Look at the other dance genre`s ....
Is there a link between house or d+b dj`s playind cd`s and falling (house +d+b )vinyl sales ?
Is anyone making any money from digital downloads?
Let the debate begin

If djing is going the way of digital (which it seems to given the amount of new technology coming out this year from established dj equipment manufacturers) then dubstep artists need to make sure their stuff is available digitally as well as on vinyl. Itunes is making shit loads of digital sales and seem to have an ever increasing variety of stuff on there. I have no idea how easy or difficult it is to get stuff on there though so maybe this is why i can't get dubstep on there?

Vinyl is great and I have grown up djing with it but there comes a point when you have to accept that is a dying medium. Perhaps that virtually all clubs still have their years old 1210s installed is keeping things going but it is changing. Newer clubs often don't have decks and just cd decks/mixer. I don't want to limit where I can play out.

I can understand the concern of dub cutters like yourself as its going to ruin your business but only if your existing customers also decide to change which doesn't seem likely given their responses on here. New, international and cash strapped djs are looking at this new technology with a lot of interest though.

At the end of the day digital technology in djing is going to help more people get into djing and ultimately spread the sound of dubstep to more people meaning in the long run the artists will be alright.

I read somewhere dj/producers make more money from bookings than the vinyl sales is that true?

On another thread the whole mp3 download debate is going on. If dubstep producers only released on vinyl then maybe there would be less piracy

People have said since cassettes came on the scene that vinyl would die but here in the UK at least we're all still waiting

In the grime scene seems like the whole mix cd thing means less vinyl available and less kids wanna be vinyl djs. Could that be a reason the scene has not grown so much?

I saw Afrika Bambaata play out awhile ago. He was rocking seratto and by rocking I mean an endless barrage of dancefloor killers from the 60's onward. To do what he did using vinyl would be alot more work, just in carrying the vinyl, not to mention picking the records and the space behind the booth to just lay them down. That's a clear advantage to digital, you can carry your encyclopedia of beats and bass from your umpteen shelves to anywhere you play.

In terms of reliability, vinyl is the best, cd is second, thumb drive is third, and hard drive is last. So if you have a priceless recording, the safest way is vinyl.

sapphic_beats wrote:

Jtransition wrote:This is a very interesting topic but one thing that everyone seems too have missed is that ,If all dubstep dj`s are playing on laptops or whatever digital playback medium they desire then that does not enourage vinyl sales and if the artists cannot make any money from sales then ultimatley the scene could be doomed.Look at the other dance genre`s ....
Is there a link between house or d+b dj`s playind cd`s and falling (house +d+b )vinyl sales ?
Is anyone making any money from digital downloads?
Let the debate begin

the first assumption here is that people who use digital mediums would NEVER buy vinyl, which i have found to be untrue. ya get yer tunes how ya can really, and if that means ripping vinyl, plenty of folks willing to do that too...but the other assumption is that people who buy digital medium are NOT somehow interested in supporting the labels? ummm hello...NO OVERHEAD (i.e. encode that bizness, get it to people thru a site or thru your own). i think that's a pretty nifty way to put money into the label/artist's pockets.

plus, and i think this is probably the most important point here, let's not overlook the bottom line fact that djing, in and of itself, has ALWAYS been a promotional tool to introduce music to an audience. to say that using a laptop does not encourage sales (vinyl or digital) is to miss the point of the inception of the dj. people hear a tune. they go batty. if they are so inclined, they trainspot (you can look at a label on a record OR you can look at a lappy screen OR you can ask the dj)...if they are a nerd like me they input the name of the tune into their cel phone ( ), and then they go call their shop/go to their online shop and find the tune. that's the way it's worked for years, and it ain't gonna stop just because the method of delivery changes. people can say a DJ is based on the medium/method they use, but i disagree entirely. i say a true DJ just really wants people to hear and buy the music they love, and makes it sound really frickin cool in the process.

and this is something i think bears addressing, who drives the market? is it the labels? or is the people who buy the tunes? now obviously in dubstep there is a hell of a lot of love for vinyl (as well there should be), but i see quite a good chunk willing to shell out for digital files too. so the assumption i have to go with is that a label/scene that caters to BOTH, ultimately will keep itself going just fine.

i just talked to the owner of the techno label i am on, and he said (at least in techno), the initial hit that labels took from digital sales has started to even out and the vinyl sales are heading upward again. the newness of the digital medium is wearing off, and people are figuring out that sometimes it's great to be able to grab the tune and go, and sometimes it's nice to get that box of new records in the mail (mmm...that new record smell). it's just two different ways of delivering the same fucking thing.

My point was that if people at raves see dj's (who lets say also produce music) playing music from a laptop,that does not in my opinion ecourage
the party people to buy vinyl.

DJL wrote:

Jtransition wrote:This is a very interesting topic but one thing that everyone seems too have missed is that ,If all dubstep dj`s are playing on laptops or whatever digital playback medium they desire then that does not enourage vinyl sales and if the artists cannot make any money from sales then ultimatley the scene could be doomed.Look at the other dance genre`s ....
Is there a link between house or d+b dj`s playind cd`s and falling (house +d+b )vinyl sales ?
Is anyone making any money from digital downloads?
Let the debate begin

If djing is going the way of digital (which it seems to given the amount of new technology coming out this year from established dj equipment manufacturers) then dubstep artists need to make sure their stuff is available digitally as well as on vinyl. Itunes is making shit loads of digital sales and seem to have an ever increasing variety of stuff on there. I have no idea how easy or difficult it is to get stuff on there though so maybe this is why i can't get dubstep on there?

Vinyl is great and I have grown up djing with it but there comes a point when you have to accept that is a dying medium. Perhaps that virtually all clubs still have their years old 1210s installed is keeping things going but it is changing. Newer clubs often don't have decks and just cd decks/mixer. I don't want to limit where I can play out.

I can understand the concern of dub cutters like yourself as its going to ruin your business but only if your existing customers also decide to change which doesn't seem likely given their responses on here. New, international and cash strapped djs are looking at this new technology with a lot of interest though.

At the end of the day digital technology in djing is going to help more people get into djing and ultimately spread the sound of dubstep to more people meaning in the long run the artists will be alright.

No concern here