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Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:09 am**

Man, I'm really sorry I didn't see this before I posted my Rinse FM podcast thread...someone can delete that if needed

The approach from Ammo has been completely shitty, and the threat that not even the foum mix can be hosted just beggars belief.

It's an awkward position for the DJs on Rinse for sure. I just hope Ammo can back down with some grace, admit they fucked up and go on from there.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:10 am**

disgustinbg treatment

I wish u all the luck in the world

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:44 am**

Josephine wrote:
UFO over easy wrote:Fucking hell. Amidst all their talk about copywrite and licensing laws, they seem to be forgetting that they're running a pirate radio station... this isn't what underground music is about.

but Deapoh, the last 18 months have definitely not been for nothing. Barefiles is one the main reasons dubstep has grown so much recently, which is why it's so sad to see the 'Ammunition Empire' act like this. Completely taking all your hard work for granted by the sounds of things.

Totally, utterly waste. I'm very disappointed indeed.
Well said mate, I doubt they even acknowledge the fact that Deaps has pushed Dubstep beyond borders and has probably increased Tempa sales, swag attitude.
As for the whole "pirate station" thing, dont even get me started. I just feel sorry for all the DJ's who are no longer having their sets recorded, we'll see how long it takes until they start charging for their sets to be downloaded.

I could go on for days about this.

incyde wrote:Wow man I am pretty disgusted, but not surprised to be honest.

First as others have mentioned its kind of ridiculous to mention copyright laws and legal issues when the property that would be "protected" by the laws is completely illegal in the first place, therefore from my experience would not qualify for legal protection in any respect, but legal issues can be a sticky subject and since they are the bigger (and wealthier) entity, either way they would probably end up on top.

The reason I am not surprised is that this is what always happens and it really makes me disappointed to see this happening to such a great thing such as dubstep. But unfortunately this has all been done before in other industries, that's just the way that big corporations work, that's what microsoft and wal-mart do all the time. its about using your greater resources and influence to take over smaller entities.

the shame is that this is always what happens when you involve art (in this case, music) with business. Dubstep on its own is a great thing, but its because of the fact that we put a price on it that there always ends up being an "empire" such as tempa/ammunition that as you said, monopolizes it. now we are surely far from a monopoly in any respect yet but they certainly are far bigger of an entity than any other record label, except for planet mu perhaps (but they dont just do dubstep).

This is one of the first signs of the corporate invasion into the world of dubstep that I have noticed so far. Another one was the video cameras at DMZ. Inevitable that this would happen, but it still kills me to see it, because you know that its just the first step and it will just get worse and worse from here on, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

It just goes to show that no matter what, art and business can never live in harmony. It's a sad thing but true.

Big ups to you deapoh, you've done massive things for dubstep, and i can't wait to see the new barefiles. You couldnt have made a more right decision to say NO to them. Otherwise they would have just grown bigger and bigger. You have all our support.

...yeh and fuck the world anyway everything goes down the river anywayy

still owe you a beer Deapoh.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:25 am**

this is fuckin anoying. i cant get reception where i live so barefiles was the only way i had for keeping up to date with rinse. and i dont get what the difference is between people bein able to download it for FREE and listening to it for FREE. people are fucking stupid. fuck sarah and fuck geeneus as well. lol@whoever said they were like the mcdonalds of grime.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:33 am**

GO FUCK YOURSELF RINSE FM

ps big up your bosoms deapoh you are a living legend - literally

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:47 am**

im fortunate to no deapoh well , trust me it hasnt disrupted alot , barefiles will still continue, deapoh is a legend and any one that knows dubstep knows barefiles ...

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:06 am**

d-range wrote:Well, Deapoh didnt have to pay to get into FWD. Maybe thats the compensation?

Nah every DJ who is on Rinse FM can get in for free and only when I had to pay did I realise I am no longer on Rinse and no longer wanted. After several weeks with no contact from Ammo this happend.

Big up everyone for the support, some people going way off and losing the plot plus giving incorrect facts but still. Geeneus didn't ditch Grime for Dub nor Dub for money. Listen to how much House and Funky House is being played on Rinse FM, look at the nights Gee is doing, you can see what he likes... as he said "I only care about Roll Deep and Skream"... this is almost an exact quote from what he said, now you can see the true feelings right?

I think you should support the artists still and not cut off Tempa or Rinse. Just know what they're about. Simularity to Nike being made by poor people in third world countries under terrible conditions, the owners of Nike rake in the money. I realise this yet still wear it.

Everything that I've said in this thread is factual and said so you have a clearer understanding of 'behind the scenes' as it were from my view. I do not care about the repercussions, just that the truth is known.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:12 am**

One thing that stands out for me here and leaves me befuddled - are rinse saying that no one but them can host the dubstepforum mix because one of their djs mixed it? did they licence the tracks from eveyone on here or what?

As it goes, most times tuning in to one of their big shows gives me a busy stream(im sure im not the only one) so id say they have pretty much shot themselves in the foot as far as spreading the 'rinse' sound goes. And will this mean that in future only ammunition related material will be played on the station?

Any way Deapoh, hard work and dedication will always outshine bullying tactics, so stay strong fellah and do whats right for you.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:12 am**

Sad state of affairs, and enuff people have express some good ideas on this post already.

So,after the intial fury, injustice and anger of these actions (the craziest thing is that it's come from within the scene itself!) Barefiles will rise from the ashes and come back even stronger with the massive support from the dubstep community.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:15 am**

Deapoh wrote:I think you should support the artists still and not cut off Tempa or Rinse. Just know what they're about.

Sage words. Lets keep our heads people.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:18 am**

electric eliminator wrote:One thing that stands out for me here and leaves me befuddled - are rinse saying that no one but them can host the dubstepforum mix because one of their djs mixed it? did they licence the tracks from eveyone on here or what?

No but the majority of Rinse FM DJs signed ***
But they're also trying to say that ***
and I think this is complete bullshit and taking the fucking piss and I will not listen to what they say. So the Dubstep forum mix will stay up. Basically EVERY Rinse mix that used to be on Barefiles isn't up there anymore.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:20 am**

Deapoh wrote:Basically EVERY Rinse mix that used to be on Barefiles isn't up there anymore.

Bit more room on the hardrive now...

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:08 pm**

Pirate radio gone corporate, eh?!

Crazy news. Well, in situations like this there's always "illegal downloading" instead of boycotting.

Whatever. Wastemen trying to capitolize. Thanks for telling the truth, deapoh. Nice to know.

All that being said, I'm not even a little bit surprised. Say what you like about a 'good vibes' scene, everyone changes to get a bit of green.

Also, NO non-contracted artist do they hold ANY rights over. And you can legally host them to kingdom come.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:16 pm**

LAMO!!! big Up Deapoh!!

the first DubStep I ever listened to was a MIX Ive dl from Barefiles!! I think It was a mix by skream... the day Barefiles got off I was cryin!!! it was a sad day! :/
but seriously SHAME ON YA, RINSE FM!! damn...

peace. respect.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:19 pm**

The revolution eating it own children

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:28 pm**

I'd be interested to see rinse DJs come on here and defend this.

From a business point of view I think Ammunition's action is short sighted. They are in danger of alienating their core audience at a point when their artists haven't crossed over to the mainstream. They are unnecessarily running the commercial risk of losing the hardcore audience who are the source of word of mouth promotion for their releases - and if they don't think dubstep has grown so strongly as a result of word of mouth, then I think they are mistaken.

The wiser course of action would have been to launch a dedicated Rinse site with live streams and a back catalogue of mixes - much of which could have been sourced from BareFiles - and leave Barefiles as a free promotional mechanism catering to the hardcore dubstep and grime market. One suspects Deapho would eventually have become too busy to maintain it anyway.

What I find most disheartening about this episode - apart from this being the first major disruption of the pure love vibes at the heart of the scene - is that Ammunition may not be able to launch a service which is as good as BareFiles. They can't get the rinse stream working reliably. They can't get dubplate.net working as well as it should be, given the frequent reports here of failed orders (and the product selection and site design leaves much to be desired). If they could launch something ten times better than BareFiles then it may not be as offensive, but I'm not sure they can.

On a side note I wonder how Ammunition will now approach the booking agency business. I suspect Elastic may get some unwelcome attention.

For me the bottom line is that I simply don't believe these tactics will actually deliver business benefits for Ammunition. I can, however, see how they could damage the whole dubstep market. I don't think this was a wise business move.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:33 pm**

BIG UP Deapoh!! true souljah

tanx 4 all the work u done bruv!!!

without barefiles i could probably never follow the dubstep movement, the one that i feel; open, free, sharing a passion for that vibes!! that's the 1 that I want to follow and not all the usual bizness around.

u got all my support!! LONG LIVE TO BAREFILES!!

PEace

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:37 pm**

good words grievous.

on the tech-savvy front, grimetones.com isn't looking too healthy.

i'm also sure that deapoh would be capable of setting up a decent internet radio station if he wanted too, and get a lot of support from djs. not that he needs too as we already have several other very good stations.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:39 pm**

Grievous Angel wrote:They can't get the rinse stream working reliably.

they don't even do the rinse stream, exequo does.

exequo.org wrote:EXEQUO is a non-profit service for NGO's, charities, funded/non-funded and grass-roots organisations.

ironically, exequo promote creative commons licensing.

Posted: **Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:41 pm**

Many people suggested 'Bare Frequency FM' or something along those lines but I believe Sub FM, React FM, Streamizm, reload-radio etc to be the key essential stations and another will be too much at this current stage in time. Maybe in a year or something when the scene is even larger than now.