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ashley wrote:Nearest stop is New Cross.

Ferry shuts at 8pm don't it?

if not earlier. didnt really think about it properly tbh.

one of my mates is always banging on about being a freeman and all that jazz. i think its especially funny when she's just come off a lengthy spell on the dole to go and work for her dad who's main source of income is government funded.
in all honesty if 99% of people in this country tried to be a proper freeman and go live off the land somewhere they wouldn't last 2 months.

laurent__duval wrote:one of my mates is always banging on about being a freeman and all that jazz. i think its especially funny when she's just come off a lengthy spell on the dole to go and work for her dad who's main source of income is government funded.
in all honesty if 99% of people in this country tried to be a proper freeman and go live off the land somewhere they wouldn't last 2 months.

being a freeman and working a "normal" job aren't mutually exclusive.

symmetricalsounds wrote:

laurent__duval wrote:one of my mates is always banging on about being a freeman and all that jazz. i think its especially funny when she's just come off a lengthy spell on the dole to go and work for her dad who's main source of income is government funded.
in all honesty if 99% of people in this country tried to be a proper freeman and go live off the land somewhere they wouldn't last 2 months.

being a freeman and working a "normal" job aren't mutually exclusive.

is it not a bit hypocritical to be a freeman and use public, government paid for roads to get to work, use mains electricity, watch tele etc etc? surely its all or nothing?

laurent__duval wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

laurent__duval wrote:one of my mates is always banging on about being a freeman and all that jazz. i think its especially funny when she's just come off a lengthy spell on the dole to go and work for her dad who's main source of income is government funded.
in all honesty if 99% of people in this country tried to be a proper freeman and go live off the land somewhere they wouldn't last 2 months.

being a freeman and working a "normal" job aren't mutually exclusive.

is it not a bit hypocritical to be a freeman and use public, government paid for roads to get to work, use mains electricity, watch tele etc etc? surely its all or nothing?

well it depends on the particular freeman in question. not all are obviously going to be the same, some will pay their taxes, some won't.

if they don't pay any taxes, which is practically impossible seeing as noone can really avoid VAT, then yeah you could call that person hypocritical.

symmetricalsounds wrote:

laurent__duval wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

laurent__duval wrote:one of my mates is always banging on about being a freeman and all that jazz. i think its especially funny when she's just come off a lengthy spell on the dole to go and work for her dad who's main source of income is government funded.
in all honesty if 99% of people in this country tried to be a proper freeman and go live off the land somewhere they wouldn't last 2 months.

being a freeman and working a "normal" job aren't mutually exclusive.

is it not a bit hypocritical to be a freeman and use public, government paid for roads to get to work, use mains electricity, watch tele etc etc? surely its all or nothing?

well it depends on the particular freeman in question. not all are obviously going to be the same, some will pay their taxes, some won't.

if they don't pay any taxes, which is practically impossible seeing as noone can really avoid VAT, then yeah you could call that person hypocritical.

this what i'm saying... all or nothing baby!

laurent__duval wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

laurent__duval wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

laurent__duval wrote:one of my mates is always banging on about being a freeman and all that jazz. i think its especially funny when she's just come off a lengthy spell on the dole to go and work for her dad who's main source of income is government funded.
in all honesty if 99% of people in this country tried to be a proper freeman and go live off the land somewhere they wouldn't last 2 months.

being a freeman and working a "normal" job aren't mutually exclusive.

is it not a bit hypocritical to be a freeman and use public, government paid for roads to get to work, use mains electricity, watch tele etc etc? surely its all or nothing?

well it depends on the particular freeman in question. not all are obviously going to be the same, some will pay their taxes, some won't.

if they don't pay any taxes, which is practically impossible seeing as noone can really avoid VAT, then yeah you could call that person hypocritical.

this what i'm saying... all or nothing baby!

no cos there is every shade of grey inbetween, some freeman may be happy to pay the taxes that seem right to them but still are willing to contest other issues.

I've only done like 3 days of research on this thing, so correct me if I'm wrong but this is my view on things.

The main problem with this council tax thing, is that we aren't ever asked whether or not we want to pay it.
The paying of council tax is under a statute law, an act (Local Government FInance Act 1992 to be more specific), not a common law. So it is a law which we must consent to. A statute is a 'rule' which the government has enforced upon 'our person' normally to try and rob us of our money. 'Our person' is a fictional entity, which is represented by our human being. The fictional entity is basically our birth certificate, but that's a whole different story. To put a long story short, If we do not consent to the statute, or do not wish to represent our 'person', we do not have to abide by it. Real freemen don't mind paying council tax to help our community. There problem with it is that the act was forced upon us, and even when rejected by them they still have to pay it and receive fines for their disapproval. This goes for countless statutes which rob us of our money e.g. Parking tickets, Rubbish bin fines, etc.

Being a freeman isn't about being above the common law like murder or theft or assault, its about stopping contract laws from creating an authority over you and stopping you from doing many things freely.

Another good example is the registration of cars.
Basically we don't own our cars. The DVLA does. When we register our cars we hand over the ownership of the cars to them and they rent our cars out to us. We are allowed to use them as long as we abide by their rules and they scare us into abiding by these rules by enforcing fines if we do not do. Think about it; if you break their rules they can take your car from you whenever they want, because it isn't yours it's theirs. Oh wow I could go on for ages...

watch this, and the 3 episodes after and you can learn loadssss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ApMM49kPxs

clifford_- wrote:

deesee wrote:

dubmatters wrote:

deesee wrote:if your doing 60 in a 30, u deserve to be punished

I've almost been done doing 110 in a 60 do I deserve to be punished?*

yup

even when theres no one else about, and your only gonna hurt yourself?

fair enough you do that shit outside a shcool, you deserve to get banned/put in prison.

but on the motorway, at night, on your own, i cant see how this would hurt anyone?

yeh your right it depends on the situation but cus u said 60 i thought you meant a normal road as motorways are 70. but obviousily the laws gotta be there because dickheads who drive like stnuc deserve what they get

deesee wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

deesee wrote:

dubmatters wrote:

deesee wrote:if your doing 60 in a 30, u deserve to be punished

I've almost been done doing 110 in a 60 do I deserve to be punished?*

yup

even when theres no one else about, and your only gonna hurt yourself?

fair enough you do that shit outside a shcool, you deserve to get banned/put in prison.

but on the motorway, at night, on your own, i cant see how this would hurt anyone?

yeh your right it depends on the situation but cus u said 60 i thought you meant a normal road as motorways are 70. but obviousily the laws gotta be there because dickheads who drive like stnuc deserve what they get

Fine as long as you can gurantee there is no one about. As soon as there is one person, which inevitably there will be, then you should be observing the speed limit.

ive been banned for doing over a ton so im not really in any position to comment...
i should of just kept quiet!
lol

big up GV1, nice thread... good to see that this stuff is getting about. i knew about a fair bit about what happens when you give your details to the police and about statutes etc.. but i just watched that 5-part John Harris vid and learned a lot more - the bit about registration and how we submit ownership of everything is a proper eye-opener

pulsar wrote:big up GV1, nice thread... good to see that this stuff is getting about. i knew about a fair bit about what happens when you give your details to the police and about statutes etc.. but i just watched that 5-part John Harris vid and learned a lot more - the bit about registration and how we submit ownership of everything is a proper eye-opener

If you're interested in that you should watch the Zeitgeist documentary series, even more of an eye-opener since it details how the whole worlds capitalist economic system works!

take zeitgeist with a pinch of salt btw!

clifford_- wrote:take zeitgeist with a pinch of salt btw!

test recordings wrote:

pulsar wrote:big up GV1, nice thread... good to see that this stuff is getting about. i knew about a fair bit about what happens when you give your details to the police and about statutes etc.. but i just watched that 5-part John Harris vid and learned a lot more - the bit about registration and how we submit ownership of everything is a proper eye-opener

If you're interested in that you should watch the Zeitgeist documentary series, even more of an eye-opener since it details how the whole worlds capitalist economic system works!

yeah i've seen the shiteguise films thanks... they do reveal a lot of truth about monetary systems etc (which i was already aware of) but they mix it in with a lot of lies and deceit... i'm gonna sound bare tinfoil hat crew here but it stinks of illuminati / new world order if you ask me. i think zeitgeist and the venus project are basically cults and these films are brainwashing tools. i could go into it but it's looooong.... do a bit of research for yourself if you can be bothered

cityzen wrote:

clifford_- wrote:take zeitgeist with a pinch of salt btw!

^

test recordings wrote: If you're interested in that you should watch the Zeitgeist documentary series, even more of an eye-opener since it details how the whole worlds capitalist economic system works!

or even better watch The Corporation.


As polemics go it seems relatively well researched and has alot of good views from both sides of the corporate wall.

pulsar wrote:

test recordings wrote:

pulsar wrote:big up GV1, nice thread... good to see that this stuff is getting about. i knew about a fair bit about what happens when you give your details to the police and about statutes etc.. but i just watched that 5-part John Harris vid and learned a lot more - the bit about registration and how we submit ownership of everything is a proper eye-opener

If you're interested in that you should watch the Zeitgeist documentary series, even more of an eye-opener since it details how the whole worlds capitalist economic system works!

yeah i've seen the shiteguise films thanks... they do reveal a lot of truth about monetary systems etc (which i was already aware of) but they mix it in with a lot of lies and deceit... i'm gonna sound bare tinfoil hat crew here but it stinks of illuminati / new world order if you ask me. i think zeitgeist and the venus project are basically cults and these films are brainwashing tools. i could go into it but it's looooong.... do a bit of research for yourself if you can be bothered

cityzen wrote:

clifford_- wrote:take zeitgeist with a pinch of salt btw!

^

I do my own research, ta To further this, please could you point out the lies and deceit? I'm sure it would be useful for us all. To add, either way you look at it we need a resource-based economy to survive or one day we'll have nothing left and will reach that point without seeing it coming! Zeitgeist isn't the only movement that's advocating it, I know as I have researched around the subject (mostly from an ecological psychology perspective, mainstream psychology is way too intracranial-focussed for its own good) - Theodore Roszak in particular mentions it in his book 'Ecopsychology' (it's good because he's a journalist not a 'psychologist' so points out the logical holes in the discipline, it's starting to be incorporated even though it was advocated in the 1800s by the German Gestalt psychologists).

danrev wrote:or even better watch The Corporation.


As polemics go it seems relatively well researched and has alot of good views from both sides of the corporate wall.

Looks good, cheers, will check it out! Freud tried to do the same thing and this also sounds similar to the aforementioned 'Ecopsychology' book (which, I suppose, is a self-reflection on the commercial face of the military-industrial complex).

Great thread, very interesting and all, but...

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on ... _Straw_man

I'm with the Rational Wiki on this one for now. Read a load of things online about the Freeman stuff and yet to see any of point to any actual source materials. Some of it is well written and some of it is written exceptionally badly, but either way - it's just words. None of it appears to be backed up by anything. I suppose their response to this would be that of course there are no sources, or the big conspiracy would be exposed!

I don't know...best of luck if you want to try it, but I imagine it's quite hard to do without ending up being a massive hypocrite.