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xarcane wrote:The Jehster got wasted, penned a paper
Concocted a notion to make him greater
He knocks up a beat, but he has no story
Gets a weeping erection, writes "Mourning Glory!"

I reel off a list of the usual suspects
Subjectively speaking they all got defects
They all cavemen in a suit and tie
Saying why you opposing, conform or die!

I know I’ve put it simply and quite condensed
Cos rap was a brainstorm of commonest sense
But now we have a Prog metal Rap defence
So somewhere rap went wrong…

xarcane wrote:Point is because this is utterly generic shit, I literally only had to change about 3 words, and it'dve applied to this situation (I changed it a bit more). With generic crap it is easy to pick up shit that seems to apply directly to you, or some other situation you've witnessed - that's the definition of generic shit. A bit like horoscopes. Jehst's rap lacks any generic shit, it's all a man showing off his creative skills in his native language rather than raping an artform in the interests of his bank account.

.onelove. wrote:love how the tone of the entire thread is decided by the first reply

badger wrote:this debate is like a steaming pile of cow shit in forum form

Trainrek wrote:Ok everyone just shut the fuck up. I posted this for a laugh and now its getting out of hand.
There is no good music and no bad music, theres just music you like and music others like. End of.

herbalicious wrote:I refuse to let myself get dragged into this nonsense, troll fest any more!!

wolf89 wrote:You keep on about prog metal. Don't think any of us are into it.

Secondly I bet you have piss poor taste in folk music anyway

xarcane wrote:How is it not applicable? Of course it's applicable because that's what it sounds like to me. Poetry as an art form evolved as a way of storytelling. Rap in it's pure form is a way of storytelling, a way to say things you couldn't otherwise communicate through song, otherwise singing is superior. Jehst doesn't say anything that requires rap as a vehicle, his lyrics are literally only held together by their complexity. In that way it is the rap equivalent of prog metal, and its fans have that same type of "elitism" as people that only listen to prog metal.

If you get a true poem, you can condense it almost infinitely, and it'll still be poetic. That's how people like Carol Ann Duffy roll, that's true elitist, hidden from the public. The average joe will see a short and snappy poem by Duffy that doesn't look much, but to a poet there is so much information and allusion on every line, that you can expand it in your head into a full poem, so basically you make your own poem every time you read a Duffy - that's why she's poet Laureate. After doing that you realise you can do it with any poem of reasonable length. With Jehst you can't condense it that way... you try and translate it, like you can with any good poem, it'll read like some patchy prose. His amount of lyrical skill is astounding in that same way that a brilliant solo is, but to me it is just that -it ain't real.

xarcane wrote:Poetry as an art form evolved as a way of storytelling.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:This thread has become as white and middle class as the op's video.

xarcane wrote:White and middle-class, my big black foot... I grew up on a council estate where violence was the norm.

Poetry didn't evolve as a way of communicating human emotion through language, that's bullshit, that's called conversation - it evolved as a form of storytelling. It evolved as an art-form to make it easier to remember stories and preserve our history before the art of writing. It does engender emotion obviously, but it engenders emotion by letting other people experience the situation you're writing/talking about and having them develop their own emotional responses. That's why Duffy is at the top of the art form even though her work is incredibly elitist - she has extended that concept through to the point where she uses a form that lets you construct your own poetry, and you become even more involved in the situation she's describing.

You can't just feed emotion into someone, being all like - "I am sad", "I am angry", which is basically what Jehst does if you take away the linguistic techniques:

"Eye of the storm, my tears fall as a torrential downpour
The flood, your death wish written in blood"

Strip it to it's bare bones that's simply - "I'm sad". That doesn't engender an emotional response like true art, it just makes me want to mock and belittle him.