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Do you really think the amazing MCs and producers of the last 20+ years were the competitive ones?Today wrote:that last bit doesn't hold much water tbh. all different motives from different artists have contributed equally to the good and shit states of popular music. Competition fed the golden era of USA hip hop. Actually i'd say if you wanna talk about the shit state of certain areas of that music, lack of competition has been the driving force. Everyone's happy. West coast, east coast, ignorant, conscious, coke rappers, weed rappers, all of the rappers are happy. And a lot of those are the lyrics that are wackLye Form wrote:I do not agree.Today wrote:nothing wrong with competitive drive in art.
Fuck competition in music, how can you get competitive about something that is completely subjective without going as broad as possible
Getting as good as possible and mastering your instruments because YOU want to be the best for your own sake... the 'competition' in hip hop/dubstep has possibly led to the shit state its in now.
topmo3 wrote:^ wat
Without competition grime would have been nowhere near as good. Most of the best grime ive heard is mcs slewing other mcs and producersLye Form wrote:Do you really think the amazing MCs and producers of the last 20+ years were the competitive ones?Today wrote:that last bit doesn't hold much water tbh. all different motives from different artists have contributed equally to the good and shit states of popular music. Competition fed the golden era of USA hip hop. Actually i'd say if you wanna talk about the shit state of certain areas of that music, lack of competition has been the driving force. Everyone's happy. West coast, east coast, ignorant, conscious, coke rappers, weed rappers, all of the rappers are happy. And a lot of those are the lyrics that are wackLye Form wrote:I do not agree.Today wrote:nothing wrong with competitive drive in art.
Fuck competition in music, how can you get competitive about something that is completely subjective without going as broad as possible
Getting as good as possible and mastering your instruments because YOU want to be the best for your own sake... the 'competition' in hip hop/dubstep has possibly led to the shit state its in now.
Dillas attitude was anything but.
trinidad james is amazing dont hateToday wrote:biggie smalls, 2pac?
Jadakiss and Styles P?
the happy rappers are shit. Lil wayne (current), Trinidad James, Nicki Minaj.
anyway moot point cuz every single person in show business is competitive as fuck and so are their producers. That's how you get there.
The hate and beef hardly drove any of the quality in both hip hop and grime thoughdjredi2step wrote:Without competition grime would have been nowhere near as good. Most of the best grime ive heard is mcs slewing other mcs and producersLye Form wrote:Do you really think the amazing MCs and producers of the last 20+ years were the competitive ones?Today wrote:that last bit doesn't hold much water tbh. all different motives from different artists have contributed equally to the good and shit states of popular music. Competition fed the golden era of USA hip hop. Actually i'd say if you wanna talk about the shit state of certain areas of that music, lack of competition has been the driving force. Everyone's happy. West coast, east coast, ignorant, conscious, coke rappers, weed rappers, all of the rappers are happy. And a lot of those are the lyrics that are wackLye Form wrote:I do not agree.Today wrote:nothing wrong with competitive drive in art.
Fuck competition in music, how can you get competitive about something that is completely subjective without going as broad as possible
Getting as good as possible and mastering your instruments because YOU want to be the best for your own sake... the 'competition' in hip hop/dubstep has possibly led to the shit state its in now.
Dillas attitude was anything but.
all bullshit that could have done withoutThe trim/Wiley beef has birthed some of the finest bars in the last 6 years.EliteLennon117 wrote:
nah most grime mc bars are just bigging themselves up/ boying other mcsHarkat wrote:I feel like you guys are getting mixed up...it's interesting to see verbal sparring like that. But it's one thing for an artist to have something against another, and thus make music targeted at him/her, it's another thing to make music in general from a place of wanting social points/dominance whatever instead of for the music itself.
Not a fan of grime then, no?Harkat wrote:I feel like you guys are getting mixed up...it's interesting to see verbal sparring like that. But it's one thing for an artist to have something against another, and thus make music targeted at him/her, it's another thing to make music in general from a place of wanting social points/dominance whatever instead of for the music itself.
I am a fan of grime. I'm not against materialistic lyrics or anything. I can't tell what motivation an artist had for making a tune by listening to the tune.teamhobson wrote:Not a fan of grime then, no?Harkat wrote:I feel like you guys are getting mixed up...it's interesting to see verbal sparring like that. But it's one thing for an artist to have something against another, and thus make music targeted at him/her, it's another thing to make music in general from a place of wanting social points/dominance whatever instead of for the music itself.