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so is weed illuminati or not?

drugs that doctors give you can be a lot worse then smoking weed

skimpi wrote:so is weed illuminati or not?

to some people it is. to like those people that always go to church

mIrReN wrote:nobody is accusing of propaganda they're merely saying terpit is spouting shit because he is and this is a non-threaad because I think/hope most are well aware of the effects
bit lame to antagonise everybody by trolling your own discussion (that is if you want a serious discussion if not just 420 blaze this thread)

I meant in general.

It's like this weird attitude where because there was so much negative bullshit spread about weed back years ago people have gone way too far the other way and started proclaiming it to a wondrous thing which you can smoke constantly all day without any negative results and anything otherwise is a lie.

wolf89 wrote:It's like this weird attitude where because there was so much negative bullshit spread about weed back years ago people have gone way too far the other way and started proclaiming it to a wondrous thing which you can smoke constantly all day without any negative results and anything otherwise is a lie.

Yeah this is true, seen it get worse tbh.. my mates all smoked and it was more of a rebel attitude to all the proper straight edge people going "ITS A GATEWAY DRUG TO HEROIN!" "You'll end up on the streets homeless stealing for money to get weed!"; among other things. However if you ever got caught by parents or whatever it was still a bad thing to get caught doing and you'd rightly get a bollocking about it. Nowadays its different, they found out my step brother smokes and although they were really pissed off they had no way of arguing against him.. he just came with all this info and they had no comeback.. remember my mum ringing me and starting telling me what she said and it was hilarious, I was like "no wonder you didn't get through, you think weed and cannabis are completely different things.. you won't win trying to argue if you know basically nothing". Him and all his mates smoke WAY more than all my mates (who smoke loads and regularly).. they've even told me they've smoked with them and they think its ridiculous. If you grow up like that then you end up thinking you're some qualified doctor on the subject, there are fucking loads of deluded people due to the uneducated parents/authority figures that they just disregard everything.

Lack of good information in the past has meant theres many people who completely disregard anything negative said about weed and thats just as equally wrong as spouting bullshit about you'll end up a prostitute smackhead if you have one spliff.

2 sides of the same coin imo.

wolf89 wrote:

mIrReN wrote:nobody is accusing of propaganda they're merely saying terpit is spouting shit because he is and this is a non-threaad because I think/hope most are well aware of the effects
bit lame to antagonise everybody by trolling your own discussion (that is if you want a serious discussion if not just 420 blaze this thread)

I meant in general.

It's like this weird attitude where because there was so much negative bullshit spread about weed back years ago people have gone way too far the other way and started proclaiming it to a wondrous thing which you can smoke constantly all day without any negative results and anything otherwise is a lie.

this completely, the amount of negative media hysteria about weed in general in the past and a lot of stoners holier than thou attitudes now make it impossible for any serious and sensible debate on the subject to happen, cannabis has amazing potential to help people, but it also has a lot of potential to ruin lives if abused. Too many people that smoke are in denial about it having any negative effects at all, which ironically weakens the case for legalisation imo.

what about negative effects for recreational part time smokers. we know the negs for the full timers.
Alcohol gives you a hangover for a day or two but your right as rain usually after that.
5am sunday morning was my last toke and todays been a right struggle to fight off the mardyness.
I'm not exactly a model of calm though but sobriety has taught me where and when I can cope and today has been fraught in a usually non fraught enviroment. this to me is a big negative, another reason why I cant do recreational opiates cos of mildly psychotic mood swings in the days following. alcohol makes me feel like hell and that I really was the arse that last night I thought I wasn't but not angry. that stonovers bad cos it's shit like that that causes fights/rows and I never hear about it discussed and I know its not me as Ive seen stoner mates lose there shit when there supplies been dry.

butter_man wrote:what about negative effects for recreational part time smokers. we know the negs for the full timers.
Alcohol gives you a hangover for a day or two but your right as rain usually after that.
5am sunday morning was my last toke and todays been a right struggle to fight off the mardyness.
I'm not exactly a model of calm though but sobriety has taught me where and when I can cope and today has been fraught in a usually non fraught enviroment. this to me is a big negative, another reason why I cant do recreational opiates cos of mildly psychotic mood swings in the days following. alcohol makes me feel like hell and that I really was the arse that last night I thought I wasn't but not angry. that stonovers bad cos it's shit like that that causes fights/rows and I never hear about it discussed and I know its not me as Ive seen stoner mates lose there shit when there supplies been dry.

tbf I usually dont suffer stoneovers at all and feel pretty lucky in that respect, and i try and have periods of at least a few weeks or a month or so every so often of not smoking to keep my head in the game, if you get angry when you cant get stoned thats just sad and it shows the person probably does have an issue. (sad in an upsetting way, not like lol get a life)

Dystinkt wrote:

butter_man wrote:what about negative effects for recreational part time smokers. we know the negs for the full timers.
Alcohol gives you a hangover for a day or two but your right as rain usually after that.
5am sunday morning was my last toke and todays been a right struggle to fight off the mardyness.
I'm not exactly a model of calm though but sobriety has taught me where and when I can cope and today has been fraught in a usually non fraught enviroment. this to me is a big negative, another reason why I cant do recreational opiates cos of mildly psychotic mood swings in the days following. alcohol makes me feel like hell and that I really was the arse that last night I thought I wasn't but not angry. that stonovers bad cos it's shit like that that causes fights/rows and I never hear about it discussed and I know its not me as Ive seen stoner mates lose there shit when there supplies been dry.

tbf I usually dont suffer stoneovers at all and feel pretty lucky in that respect, and i try and have periods of at least a few weeks or a month or so every so often of not smoking to keep my head in the game, if you get angry when you cant get stoned thats just sad and it shows the person probably does have an issue. (sad in an upsetting way, not like lol get a life)

Yeh, I know one of my friends who loses her shit when she can't get, has problem, but then she works full time so don't really pull her up on it as she seems happy. seems like half a life though, bound to a substance you have to take daily yet you see it as what you do to escape.
My stoneovers been alright up until today. I had a moment yesterday where I thought I was completely sober and then halfway through my gym induction I looked at the clock and things went abstract and I realised I was STILL a bit stoned. Today I've found it took me a bit longer to shake off the general negative feeling you get when your self has a tendency to veer towards depression, my self before the saturday stoner sesh had a list of thoughts to combat it so I didnt dwell, I either misplaced them today or they didnt seem to ring as true as they did before.
saying that I needed that night to get twisted. it's put a full stop at the end of a sentence of existence, like a breath in between the next bit of life so Im not running round with my face red exasperated and gasping wondering where the next think stop is. it also reaffirmed I dont want to do it again for at least a few months as I can't afford the days following to get over it. that and vaping just isnt the same as smoking so doesnt have the same draw. pun semi intended.
feel like I'm getting back on my shit know, tho.

butter_man wrote:

Dystinkt wrote:

butter_man wrote:what about negative effects for recreational part time smokers. we know the negs for the full timers.
Alcohol gives you a hangover for a day or two but your right as rain usually after that.
5am sunday morning was my last toke and todays been a right struggle to fight off the mardyness.
I'm not exactly a model of calm though but sobriety has taught me where and when I can cope and today has been fraught in a usually non fraught enviroment. this to me is a big negative, another reason why I cant do recreational opiates cos of mildly psychotic mood swings in the days following. alcohol makes me feel like hell and that I really was the arse that last night I thought I wasn't but not angry. that stonovers bad cos it's shit like that that causes fights/rows and I never hear about it discussed and I know its not me as Ive seen stoner mates lose there shit when there supplies been dry.

tbf I usually dont suffer stoneovers at all and feel pretty lucky in that respect, and i try and have periods of at least a few weeks or a month or so every so often of not smoking to keep my head in the game, if you get angry when you cant get stoned thats just sad and it shows the person probably does have an issue. (sad in an upsetting way, not like lol get a life)

Yeh, I know one of my friends who loses her shit when she can't get, has problem, but then she works full time so don't really pull her up on it as she seems happy. seems like half a life though, bound to a substance you have to take daily yet you see it as what you do to escape.
My stoneovers been alright up until today. I had a moment yesterday where I thought I was completely sober and then halfway through my gym induction I looked at the clock and things went abstract and I realised I was STILL a bit stoned. Today I've found it took me a bit longer to shake off the general negative feeling you get when your self has a tendency to veer towards depression, my self before the saturday stoner sesh had a list of thoughts to combat it so I didnt dwell, I either misplaced them today or they didnt seem to ring as true as they did before.
saying that I needed that night to get twisted. it's put a full stop at the end of a sentence of existence, like a breath in between the next bit of life so Im not running round with my face red exasperated and gasping wondering where the next think stop is. it also reaffirmed I dont want to do it again for at least a few months as I can't afford the days following to get over it. that and vaping just isnt the same as smoking so doesnt have the same draw. pun semi intended.
feel like I'm getting back on my shit know, tho.

tbf i can sympathise with the view of getting stoned to escape the mundanity of work or life, I worked a succession of menial dead end jobs for a while just to earn a bit of cash for uni and getting baked pretty much kept me sane during those months, as i had no other ways to release stress due to time constraints mainly (I worked nights from 6pm-6am 6 days a week, with the option of a daytime shift on sundays if i wanted more money). I used to go to work a bit blazed and then have a joint on my break or something and the shift would fly by and everything was fine haha. I realised that this wouldnt be forever though which is why I dont think I ever had a problem.

I've always moderated my use depending on my situation in life at the time tbh. Besides that period and for a while when I was at uni I've never really fallen into a pattern of daily use, although with the money I'll be earning I can see myself getting a draw in most weeks and just having a weak joint on a night time to help me nod off to sleep if i need it or if my days been particularly stressful, similar to having a glass of wine or a beer.

edit - I'm also a diagnosed sufferer of clinical depression and I feel in a way cannabis has helped me with deal with that, as sometimes a bit of escapism was a good thing for me personally. It allowed me to forget my problems for a little while and relax my body and mind. Although I'd definitely like to say this is my own personal experience and whilst i feel it genuinely helped me (and my mum as well although that could be a whole other thread on its own so i wont go into it), it can quite easily makes things worse for the next person.

That Graffiti doc posting on this forum the other week showed how bad weed can be for certain peoples mental health, tragic really. At least the guy was mature enough to realise that it was poisoning him.

@ dystink
tried to give you a big up for your post up there somewhere^
and it went: attempt invalid
is that because of all the mull yu smoke or the paranoia it's caused?

edit: no not that one, the one above it.

I mean the topmost one.

Anyway, look
the worst effect of mara has long been recognized as the anti-motivational thing
not just stoners sitting round bludging on society including oldies who have worked hard
but rationalizing away their need to be activists in the many spheres that need revolutionary change
satisfied to diss, exhort, dream and complain.
Occasionally one'll go down to suicide or paranoia
but that's relatively unimportant
compared to the lack of engagement in solving pressing global probs.
I mean, I know, been there
tree-hugging ineffectual at one stage.
Not that we should beat ourselves up about being deluded,
most people, straights and all, are fuck'n trippin' as to what's important.

Ultimately
I believe I've got a better chance of being happy
if I don't resort to dope to iron out the creases of my boredom.
Particularly thru strong shit like skunk.

Muncey wrote:

wolf89 wrote:It's like this weird attitude where because there was so much negative bullshit spread about weed back years ago people have gone way too far the other way and started proclaiming it to a wondrous thing which you can smoke constantly all day without any negative results and anything otherwise is a lie.

Yeah this is true, seen it get worse tbh.. my mates all smoked and it was more of a rebel attitude to all the proper straight edge people going "ITS A GATEWAY DRUG TO HEROIN!" "You'll end up on the streets homeless stealing for money to get weed!"; among other things.

Lack of good information in the past has meant theres many people who completely disregard anything negative said about weed and thats just as equally wrong as spouting bullshit about you'll end up a prostitute smackhead if you have one spliff.

2 sides of the same coin imo.

Holland commissioned research on the gateway effects of cannabis and found that it pretty much completely separated weed from other drugs. People don't really care if something's not readily available, over there at least anyway apparently.

nobody wrote:

CreamLord wrote:Taking any drug on a regular basis will have a negative impact on your health, so technically yes, smoking weed on a regular basis can have a negative impact on your mental health.

Define drug, alcohol is bad for if you abuse it but it's a drink, not a drug. Can you abuse Panadol?

nousd wrote:@ dystink
tried to give you a big up for your post up there somewhere^
and it went: attempt invalid
is that because of all the mull yu smoke or the paranoia it's caused?

edit: no not that one, the one above it.

hahaha my accounts so paranoid it probably thought you were trying to foe me and pranged out

well if you argue with stoners who themselves argue about wweed all day you just know you wont get a serious discussion it's an addiction simple as, just like alcohol awareness is key
btw

"weed is different to other drugs mentioned in this thread imo, because it's practically glorified in a lot of music, people think it's cool etc, i don't think many people think it's odd for people to just smoke on their own in their free time but if you do that with booze, you have a problem, try suggesting that a pot head who smokes on their own has an addiction problem lol"

lol you mention alcohol,, don't know anyone who has a problem with 1-2 beers a day after work