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^ utter prik

maybe we should have a "serious discussion" warning thing like the NSFW to warn priks not to read a thread

Im sorry, I feel guilty for this one cause it was a really good read. I'd play devils advocate but I cant see what Grand meant by that, and I pretty much agree with Shonx...

badger wrote:maybe we should have a "serious discussion" warning thing like the NSFW to warn priks not to read a thread

I wouldn't bother, it'll probably be ruined by someone responding without having read it and spouting an inane platitude as a response, someone shouting prik, usual pathetic cyber-chirpsing or some other such shit.

Ho hum.

*Grand* wrote:

Shonky wrote:

badger wrote:

*Grand* wrote:education.. primary school, secondary school, university.. imo

1 to keep you of the streets
2 learn social skills in a formal environment
3 so you can add to the economy *the point i was making*

that's the point shonky was making. it should be MORE than that

Decisions made for the benefit of the few are going to create a disastrous chain-reaction for the majority.

history repeats itself.

in light of that.

Makes.......no.........sense........

badger wrote:maybe we should have a "serious discussion" warning thing like the NSFW to warn priks not to read a thread

it was a geeky rap pun relating to shonky's use of 'completely irrelevant'.

I'm so sorry

*Grand* wrote:

*Grand* wrote:

Shonky wrote:

badger wrote:

*Grand* wrote:education.. primary school, secondary school, university.. imo

1 to keep you of the streets
2 learn social skills in a formal environment
3 so you can add to the economy *the point i was making*

that's the point shonky was making. it should be MORE than that

Decisions made for the benefit of the few are going to create a disastrous chain-reaction for the majority.

history repeats itself.

in light of that.

So basically cut out the whole bit about oil and the rest of the paragraph to make it look like your comment made sense, and then chuck in a meaningless platitude.

Well a lot of the slow downs in the last century have been the result of a few simple minded people who have made complete and utter wrong decisions, causing nothing but utter poverty for the majority.

Shonky wrote:

*Grand* wrote:

*Grand* wrote:

Shonky wrote:

badger wrote: that's the point shonky was making. it should be MORE than that

Decisions made for the benefit of the few are going to create a disastrous chain-reaction for the majority.

history repeats itself.

in light of that.

So basically cut out the whole bit about oil and the rest of the paragraph to make it look like your comment made sense, and then chuck in a meaningless platitude.

what is it turn against me or something, i was referring to that. hence why i cut out the oil bit. why you acting like a tnuc?

*Grand* wrote:Well a lot of the slow downs in the last century have been the result of a few simple minded people who have made complete and utter wrong decisions, causing nothing but utter poverty for the majority.

yeah that's true. the great depression largely only happened because people started bandied around the word "depresssion", when previously when there'd been a stock market crash they used the word "slump". people panicked, over-reacted, and the great depression started

*Grand* wrote:Well a lot of the slow downs in the last century have been the result of a few simple minded people who have made complete and utter wrong decisions, causing nothing but utter poverty for the majority.

Yep, and if we continue thinking that wealth creation via the consumption of consumer goods when we are rapidly running out of the materials to make them and transport them round the world is a good idea - WE ARE FUCKED

Thus capitalism being the most useless possible system to actually face the environmental hazards ahead. This was the bit I was referring to

And let's face it the majority of those simple-minded, short-sighted idiots are the ones that have most influence on our society

Shonky wrote:

*Grand* wrote:Well a lot of the slow downs in the last century have been the result of a few simple minded people who have made complete and utter wrong decisions, causing nothing but utter poverty for the majority.

Yep, and if we continue thinking that wealth creation via the consumption of consumer goods when we are rapidly running out of the materials to make them and transport them round the world is a good idea - WE ARE FUCKED

Thus capitalism being the most useless possible system to actually face the environmental hazards ahead. This was the bit I was referring to

And let's face it the majority of those simple-minded, short-sighted idiots are the ones that have most influence on our society

and what do you suppose we do about it?

Thus capitalism being the most useless possible system to actually face the environmental hazards ahead.

Irresponsible capitalism, certainly. But capitalism could be sustainable if it's tempered by common sense and responsibility.

I think we are definitely fucked. Even if we (and possibly even the US - ha ha ha) were to learn the lesson that wealth creation through the production and distribution of consumer goods, and packed it all in we'd still be fucked. I say this because I beleive that the new boys in town (India and China) have still got a long way to go to learn this lesson, and we'll be fucked regardless of our actions.

Not to say that China and India shouldn't do what we have done and continue to do. They have just as much right to fuck the planet up as we did, but lessons learnt by a few, dare-I-say more advanced nations will not be learnt globally.

What a load of nonsense.

some fat fuck wrote: Irresponsible capitalism, certainly. But capitalism could be sustainable if it's tempered by common sense and responsibility.

Which of course would be capitalism that isn't entirely focused on profit, a complete contradiction in terms. But the capitalism model could still work if the aims are tempered by responsible consideration of the methods

*Grand* wrote:

Shonky wrote:

*Grand* wrote:Well a lot of the slow downs in the last century have been the result of a few simple minded people who have made complete and utter wrong decisions, causing nothing but utter poverty for the majority.

Yep, and if we continue thinking that wealth creation via the consumption of consumer goods when we are rapidly running out of the materials to make them and transport them round the world is a good idea - WE ARE FUCKED

Thus capitalism being the most useless possible system to actually face the environmental hazards ahead. This was the bit I was referring to

And let's face it the majority of those simple-minded, short-sighted idiots are the ones that have most influence on our society

and what do you suppose we do about it?

I was pointing out that your assumption that economic growth is the be-all and end-all is not sustainable and that something drastic needs to be done, which businesses will not do as it affects their margins, and governments will not do because they see growth as far more important than the planet. On a personal level, reduce the carbon footprint through less air travel, try and buy local produce, reduce the amount of unnecessary consumer shit and generally try and cause as little damage as possible.