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pk- wrote:

The reason why this discussion or any other documentary posted on this thread is not brainwashing is because you have the choice to click a button and view this discussion. The reason why you are brainwashed by the Government is because you have been in their education system without choice, watching countless hours of adverts and crap on television and also subliminal messaging all around you in your city or town to control your spending habits and thoughts.

You don't have to go to school or watch tv though, do you.

And what makes you think there's subliminal messaging all around us?

there's definitely subliminal messages....the status quo tends to be prevalent across all media at any one time...the red army was the thing we had to be scared of before...then is was global warming and now it's the recession..

and the mentioning of the recession has made it happen to a greater extent than before...

i'm not going to say much more in this thread as it's pointless

people see things in black and white so much....

huge great headlines like "WE'RE ALL GOING TO LOSE OUR JOBS" aren't exactly subliminal though, are they?

fair enough there's an awful lot of scaremongering going on in order to sell papers or keep your viewers glued to the screen, but what subliminal messaging is going on?

pk- wrote:huge great headlines like "WE'RE ALL GOING TO LOSE OUR JOBS" aren't exactly subliminal though, are they?

fair enough there's an awful lot of scaremongering going on in order to sell papers or keep your viewers glued to the screen, but what subliminal messaging is going on?

tbh i never watch tv now...subliminal in terms of loads of stuff existing all pointing to one response to me is subliminal..the hidden message is the one combined of everything...

Piston wrote:people see things in black and white so much....

This.

tbh i never watch tv now...subliminal in terms of loads of stuff existing all pointing to one response to me is subliminal..the hidden message is the one combined of everything...

what response is it pointing towards? fear?


(by the way i don't really get how asking someone to expand on a point is 'seeing things in black & white', i'm just interested to know what you mean. i thought Jungleboy was talking about ridiculous They Live-style shenanigans)

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pk- wrote:

tbh i never watch tv now...subliminal in terms of loads of stuff existing all pointing to one response to me is subliminal..the hidden message is the one combined of everything...

what response is it pointing towards? fear?


(by the way i don't really get how asking someone to expand on a point is 'seeing things in black & white', i'm just interested to know what you mean. i thought Jungleboy was talking about ridiculous They Live-style shenanigans)

the response is fear i suppose....the response is i'm going to tow the line and consume & no dare question anything because without the powers that be I am not safe on any level

pk- wrote:huge great headlines like "WE'RE ALL GOING TO LOSE OUR JOBS" aren't exactly subliminal though, are they?

fair enough there's an awful lot of scaremongering going on in order to sell papers or keep your viewers glued to the screen, but what subliminal messaging is going on?

To be fair advertising uses subliminal messaging all the time. And apparently there's a kind of subliminal body/speech language you can learn to influence the way people think - like Derren Brown.

I'll see if I can find some links - it's been ages since I read up on/saw videos about this shit.

the response is fear i suppose....the response is i'm going to tow the line and consume & no dare question anything because without the powers that be I am not safe on any level

The powers that be have been trying to scare the shit out of their wards for centuries though. I'm not sure we're getting it any worse than when the Church was the dominant political power in Europe and everything was "do as we say or you're burning for eternity". I'd have thought we're getting off quite lightly

Karmacazee wrote:

pk- wrote:huge great headlines like "WE'RE ALL GOING TO LOSE OUR JOBS" aren't exactly subliminal though, are they?

fair enough there's an awful lot of scaremongering going on in order to sell papers or keep your viewers glued to the screen, but what subliminal messaging is going on?

To be fair advertising uses subliminal messaging all the time. And apparently there's a kind of subliminal body/speech language you can learn to influence the way people think - like Derren Brown.

I'll see if I can find some links - it's been ages since I read up on/saw videos about this shit.

Heh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJR_G9p ... r_embedded

Karmacazee wrote:

Karmacazee wrote:

pk- wrote:huge great headlines like "WE'RE ALL GOING TO LOSE OUR JOBS" aren't exactly subliminal though, are they?

fair enough there's an awful lot of scaremongering going on in order to sell papers or keep your viewers glued to the screen, but what subliminal messaging is going on?

To be fair advertising uses subliminal messaging all the time. And apparently there's a kind of subliminal body/speech language you can learn to influence the way people think - like Derren Brown.

I'll see if I can find some links - it's been ages since I read up on/saw videos about this shit.

Heh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJR_G9p ... r_embedded

'i like foreign movies'

Also this:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=d ... l=en&emb=0

Century of the Self. (Not the howard marks one.)
Superb documentary series. Watched them all.

Piston wrote:the response is fear i suppose....the response is i'm going to tow the line and consume & no dare question anything because without the powers that be I am not safe on any level

I think that's arguable, but also, it's worth remembering that before the financial revolution (i.e. when everyone started consuming for consuming's sake - the first dedicated "shopping" area opened in London in the 1700s to the disgust of most academics who saw it as an unGodly waste of time and brain function!) the country was pretty unstable. The ruling classes spent all their time arguing about who was going to run the country by having civil wars and killing as many foreigners as possible, they persecuted various religions at various times and most people lived in abject squalor in the country at the feet of some Lord or other (i.e. whoever owned the land they lived on - who also got to set most of the rules and execute/torture people who disobeyed).

We may well be all blindly consuming sheep nowadays, but at least most people have a house, can afford to eat every day, have access to clean water and free health care and don't get flogged by their landlords. I'm sure there are some selfish and maybe even sinister agendas up top, but sometimes the public might just be better off anyway.

I think you could argue it either way... of course we can never tell whether the country would have got this comfortable without the financial revolution and we'll probably never know what would happen if we abandoned it - and I don't think we will, at least until technology means that we can provide for everyone without competition.

I have no doubt my world view is at least in part hypocritical/deluded....i think everyones is to a point..

my main gripe and i guess issue is my sheer annoyance at the stupidity in people so easily influenced and in turn affecting the world i live in by buying into trends of fashion, thought etc etc

I feel like shouting at the telly if i ever catch the news....the sun is read by rather a lot of people yet it's 100% bullshit except for the sports section...i wish people would be a bit more demanding and look a little deeper....music....the black eyed peas album and transformers 2 film represent a new low on popular entertainment for me....

Jungleboy wrote:HAs anyone else noticed the high pitch sound a television has when its switched on? Its a very high squeak, why does it make that sound??

Watch TV online or on a modern/decent TV, there's no squeak = probably no conspiracy, just poor electronics that the public are happy enough to accept and so forget about.

Also, you'd require either every major electronics retailer or every broadcaster onboard with the conspiracy to make it work... surely too many people to keep quiet?

See, you can make conspiracy theories about *anything*... that's the problem. You don't have to believe something just because it makes sense... proof is the key to believing - whether that comes from the "establishment" or elsewhere, it should still be the only thing you require in order to believe something.

Have you ever noticed that all mains appliances give a bass hum at 50hz when you interrupt their power supply a bit (you can hear it all the time on some things - and at power stations)? The government are clearly trying to make everyone only like music written in certain keys!
Or, it could be that the electrical current has a certain resonance... oh yeah, and we can prove it ourselves by going to America's different mains supply and hearing a different note or by using a different oscillating current. My theory was good while it lasted...

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Jungleboy wrote:Hello PK!

hello!

The thing about the national curriculum is that you only have to learn how to pass an exam in what the government wants you to learn, not believe it as gospel. And you don't just stop learning once you reach the limits of the national curriculum (unless you're not interested in learning I suppose, in which case bollocks to you). I suppose what I'm getting at is that the boundaries to how much you can learn aren't set by the government or by any other shady organisation. There's obviously secrets that the government (and its closer commercial allies) keep close to their collective chests, but in terms of politics, philosophy and the like we're still free to learn whatever we want to.

Similarly we're not bombarded with government propaganda every second of the day - we're free to seek out whatever news sources we want. Obviously propaganda is a very real part of modern life - but it's not the same as subliminal messaging, and if you want to avoid it you can. I have to completely disagree with the assertion that the BBC is government propaganda - they might have lost their teeth a bit recently following that whole David Kelly fiasco, but they're far from being a propaganda network. Very fucking far. The criticism of the government is hardly veiled on BBC news.

And while it might be difficult to avoid TV because it's 'everywhere', it's not actually impossible. You could quite feasibly go through your entire life without ever watching TV for more than 30 seconds. And it's not like we're in a North Korean situation where you've got state radios in every home that can't be switched off.

I don't know what

When you walk into tesco this messaging is triggered by symbols to control our spending habits.

is referring to, sorry

Do you think propeganda stopped just because the second world war is over? Tony Blair used Propeganda to make public opinion sway towards an attack on Iraq, even though he was lying. The attack on Iraq was not in public interest, so why did the attack happen?

Cheaper petrol is quite clearly in the public interest, it's just that none of us like to approve the means to get it.

Look at the back of a dollar bill.

I don't know about you, but I reckon if I wanted to keep my society secret I probably wouldn't advertise it on bits of paper that literally everyone in the country is going to own.

I give this thread 1 funny-fun-star.
ignorance is bliss

learning is cool, it helps us know why the sound on the tv set happens, but it's poisoned too and it helps us get confused about other things.

and you can ruin a pretty good argument with a funny question because confusion is more than we can handle.

therefore it's very hard for the people to discern what to learn and then when to worry about things...


and that's why all the fun in the world now!