Laszlo wrote:That seems like a lot of creatine if you're on the 17g of PWO. Idk, did you make a conscious, informed decision to take that much? If so, what's your reasoning behind it?
There are studies that say between 3-5g before and after intense workout are fine. ATM I'm on about 4 + 4, I'd say. In terms of reasoning, there wasn't any and for a while I was doing it unaware as I hadn't check the ingredients for PWO (novice lifter mistake, alreadys read the label).
Have also consulted with my live in physician who has advised that the amounts I'm taking shouldn't cause any health issues. Also working on an eight week cycle, so seven on, one off.
EDIT;
Supplement Research Foundation website wrote:"It is important to load creatine for five days by consuming 20-30 grams of creatine daily. This allows for muscle cells to be completely saturated with creatine. After the loading phase, a maintenance dosage of 5-15 grams daily can be used to maintain muscle creatine saturation."
But as with everything, I'm sure there are studies that say the same will force me to eject my kidneys through my urethra if I carry on this heinous practice.
I'm not trying to attack your method, so sorry if it came off sounding like that. It's just I do all the research into this stuff, make my 'informed' decision, proceed with the plan and then promptly forget most of/everything i've learned on the subject.
I'm not saying you are endangering your body, i'm just trying to learn again is all (you do have a live in physician after all ).
Things I would personally take into consideration -
Who funded the research saying 3-5g before AND after, or rather, what was the motivation behind the research
The amount of creatine already gained from whole food
My concern was just that you might be wasting money, not that you're hurting yourself.
Word. You're peeing out most in such high dosages. And the timing is irrelevant because you create a constant level of creatine in your muscles. The creatine you took a week ago is still working today.. together with the creatine you took 3 weeks ago, 3 days ago and yesterday. You take a little, you lose a little.
1kg for £11.29, not breaking the bank if I'm wrong
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:26 pm
by Laszlo
No of course. But 'a penny saved' and all that..
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:27 pm
by Genevieve
Word, any money you can save from supplements and invest into whole foods is money better spent.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:28 pm
by wub
Diet has been pretty on point recently as it happens, only processed stuff I'm eating (other than whey) is yoghurt, cheese and peanut M&Ms.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:35 pm
by Laszlo
I just remembered my research method for half this stuff. Google > 'Creatine dosage bodybuilding forum'. "Oh they say 5gs a day and no cycling. Cool. i'll do that".
Not the most scientific approach ...
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:52 pm
by wub
Worth mentioning as well that I don't take PWO every time I go to the gym, as if I'm working out in the evenings after work I find that the caffeine can fuck with a bit when I go to bed...think caffeine has a 5hr half life, so if I'm not getting back from work until gone 7pm, it's not a good idea for me to chuck down something that is going to make me buzzy (potentially) til gone midnight.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:25 pm
by Laszlo
Ha! I'm sure many a gym goer has made that mistake and been lying in bed trying to sleep but totally wired.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:32 pm
by Jurrecane
Why do you guys use a pre workout? I never really got those things to be honest. I'll have just an apple before and i've got enough energy for the whole workout really :O
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:35 pm
by Laszlo
I don't use them personally. I think (judging by the ingredients) they're supposed to give you more energy, increased blood flow and a better 'pump'. All that goes to a 'better' (more productive) workout I suppose.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:42 pm
by Jurrecane
I think you can reach those same things with a good mental state. Gotta get in tha zooneeee.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:55 pm
by Laszlo
Yes I agree. But sometimes when you're just not in the mood for the gym but you don't want to miss a workout then I suppose it puts you in that mental state to just do it.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:56 pm
by wub
Speaking of zone...
What's everyone's listening habits when working out? My gym plays god awful euro-dance and EDM as standard (with occasionally dad rock anthems) so the MP3 player is stuffed of either classic DnB or podcasts in a Joe Rogan/Colt Cabana vein.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:02 pm
by Genevieve
I quit pre-workouts cuz that 'high' doesn't really translate to performance with me. I take long breaks in between sets too so I just get too hyped.
Music is usually hard dnb or hardcore (techstep, darkstep, crossbreed, industrial hardcore, etc) and sometimes metal.
I think I'm gonna do an hour long mix soon just for the purpose of working out.
My FAVORITE tune in the gym isn't even that 'ard, but it still gets me hyped as fuck
When I'm doing cardio it's usually Austrian economics themed podcasts (lolnurrrrrrrrd) or I just use it as a time to listen to new music.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:12 pm
by Laszlo
90s East Coast gangster shit (Wu, Mobb, Onyx, DMX etc) + Tupac and a little Westside Connection
Jungle/DnB
Alice In Chains, RATM and some SOAD
Mainly the aggy hip hop though.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:25 pm
by ascent
i listen to britney b2b shakira b2b girls aloud b2b taylor swift
pretty manly imo
(srs, gets me in the zone)
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:29 pm
by Laszlo
^That would make me pretty fucking angry... so would probably work.
Not going to try it though.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:18 pm
by Molzie
first day back in the gym today after two weeks out. Only lifted at 60% and I was extra cautious but it felt soooooo good.
I'm so glad it was nothing serious. thank you lifting gods.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:31 am
by OGLemon
yeah i usually lift to hardcore hip hop.
Re: Working Out....
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:18 pm
by Laszlo
OK, after the first week of this bulk i'd put on 1/8th of a pound. After the second week i'd put on a further two pounds ....