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THA ILLSTA wrote: the trouble with squat parties though is.........don't get me started

i have serious issues with squat parties

Well, well, well... the bastards are at it again. If it's not one form of oppression it's another in this POLICE STATE we call England.

Gov.t, you fucks, when will you leave us alone.

Seriously, though...

I can't handle these laws, so I will be flaunting all regulations or NOT HARDLY GOING AT ALL

for those that don't believe me well, I haven't been to a cinema since they banned smoking there (even when I gave up), and would definitely avoid N/S pubs.

STANDING ABOUT IN THE FREEZING COLD WIND AND RAIN RISKING INFLUENZA AND OTHER DISEASES...GOING INSIDE AND OUTSIDE CONSTANTLY...CHECKING YOUR COAT IN AND OUT ALL NIGHT......
......WHAT A LAUGH

forensix (mcr) wrote:

i have serious issues with squat parties

YOU KNOW IT...

in my great city of notts allot of clubs have started to call all there nights 'privet parties' i.e. when u get to the club u have to Wright your name down or some clubs have been giving out membership cards. I think because it makes the night privet the public smoking ban doesn’t take effect anyone ells know if this is right?

zap pow wrote:

pk- wrote:there's no actual proof that second hand smoke causes health problems, though. this law is the equivalent of a judge saying 'everyone knows he dunnit, send him down'.

Yes there is.

http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content/smokescreen#2

There is a correlation bt second hand smoke and increased chances of getting lung cancer but this is not definitive proof of a causal relationship. Besides, the stats don't make a strong case for a ban.

The chances of getting lung cancer anyway (i.e without smoking) are something like 0.05%. For argument's sake lets assume that breathing second hand smoke increases ur chances of getting lung cancer by 100% - even then, your chances of getting cancer are 0.5%. Half a percent people! And the increased chances are not even that high. If the chances of something happening are less than the chances of getting hit by a car, then you shouldn't worry about it!

The smoking ban is all about a certain class of non-smokers being intolerant of other people's habit - the health argument is just not very good.

ah, man... it's not just about a "certain class of non-smokers being intolerant of other people's habit"... that you just being ignorant, dude...

just because you want to smoke in a club doesn't mean everybody around you wants to inhale all the toxic shit...

it's pretty obvious that smoking is unhealthy and causes many of diseases (and you're right, lung cancer risk is generally very low) but it affects your health in general (lung condition, heart, stomach, health condition etc). don't get me started on studies about the health risks of smoking. check the web, wikipedia, or whatever, there's a lot out there and is has been researched for years... (it's not like this is a "made up" threat from the government, it's internationally researched... there's not always a conspiracy of some ruling class behind everthing hehe).

i don't mind going to club with smoking (although ganja smoke just smells waaaay better than cigarettes) but spending a whole long club night in a club with bad ventilation (which is the case with most clubs) just fucks up your body and your energy (besides the drinking etc)... clubs with proper ventilation+smoking = fine with me!

and yeah, the smokey air has something vibey to it but i think the law should be that clubs can choose if they want smoking or not (or let's say, they can have one or two smoking nights a week, or a month, whatever, anway, some option at least)... i think clubs should just be forced to have modern ventilation and proper fresh air, then the smoking harm would also decrease i guess so, although i'm not the expert, but it seems reasonable).

but these laws are just meant to be fair (although they seem unfair to smokers i know), because why should an individual be "harmed" (by massive amount of smoke in big clubs which are obviously not good for you) if he just wants to there to enjoy the music and dance?

of course the risk of getting hit by a car is higher then lung cancer but why does on have to take an well-known risk of inhaling toxic air if he's interested in music/nightlife etc (which will harm you in the long rung)?

i'm not totally for or against the ban, haven't made up my mind but it's obvious that it had to come. guess there should just be "private smoking clubs" or whatever, sounds like a good idea (with a pseudo-membership for the specific evening).. then people would know where to go to get the full smoke input or not...

basically it all comes down to proper ventilation in clubs and venues, that would make everybody happy i imagine..

I WONDER IF THEY WILL IMPOSE A SMOKIN BAN IN FWD>> TOO......

Imagine what the clubs are going to smell like without smoke masking it all...Piss, vomit, Stale beer, sweat, and at 4am after a lot of skanking some Stinky individuals I would of thought.

dubwise_gamgee wrote:ah, man... it's not just about a "certain class of non-smokers being intolerant of other people's habit"... that you just being ignorant, dude...

just because you want to smoke in a club doesn't mean everybody around you wants to inhale all the toxic shit...

it's pretty obvious that smoking is unhealthy and causes many of diseases (and you're right, lung cancer risk is generally very low) but it affects your health in general (lung condition, heart, stomach, health condition etc). don't get me started on studies about the health risks of smoking. check the web, wikipedia, or whatever, there's a lot out there and is has been researched for years... (it's not like this is a "made up" threat from the government, it's internationally researched... there's not always a conspiracy of some ruling class behind everthing hehe).

i don't mind going to club with smoking (although ganja smoke just smells waaaay better than cigarettes) but spending a whole long club night in a club with bad ventilation (which is the case with most clubs) just fucks up your body and your energy (besides the drinking etc)... clubs with proper ventilation+smoking = fine with me!

and yeah, the smokey air has something vibey to it but i think the law should be that clubs can choose if they want smoking or not (or let's say, they can have one or two smoking nights a week, or a month, whatever, anway, some option at least)... i think clubs should just be forced to have modern ventilation and proper fresh air, then the smoking harm would also decrease i guess so, although i'm not the expert, but it seems reasonable).

but these laws are just meant to be fair (although they seem unfair to smokers i know), because why should an individual be "harmed" (by massive amount of smoke in big clubs which are obviously not good for you) if he just wants to there to enjoy the music and dance?

of course the risk of getting hit by a car is higher then lung cancer but why does on have to take an well-known risk of inhaling toxic air if he's interested in music/nightlife etc (which will harm you in the long rung)?

i'm not totally for or against the ban, haven't made up my mind but it's obvious that it had to come. guess there should just be "private smoking clubs" or whatever, sounds like a good idea (with a pseudo-membership for the specific evening).. then people would know where to go to get the full smoke input or not...

basically it all comes down to proper ventilation in clubs and venues, that would make everybody happy i imagine..

Decent post; the man speaks a lot of truth.

I'm a little ambivalent myself. I tend to think clubs are the one place it should be allowed. People are out having fun. Nobody really gives two fucks about the smoke. The alternative, like you say, is to enforce better ventilation instead. That makes a great deal of sense.

dj thc wrote:i heard from a friend in scotland that now the smoking ban is on there all the clubs smelll of sweat and farts!!! as before the smoke took that smell away to a certain extent!! but apparently now it just sticks of BOBBY ORANGE (bo) and farts!!! lol

We had the same problem her in New Zealand when they banded smoking in bars & the work place. Was strange at first but now after a couple of years everyones used to it & people actually wear anti perspirant rather than just fragrance. The non smokers out there will notice that they feel way better the next morning & your clothes dont stink of smoke. Smokers you'll just have to get used to going out side every time you want a smoke. Last gig I was at I went out with some birds I'd meet there while they had a smoke & I can't recall seeing many smokers outside at all. I guess that means the new law is actually working in that its stopping social smokers at least.

First weekend of non-smoking in Australia too.

I was out Saturday and it was awful when some fucker decided to fart.
When your in a sea of people, you dont want to smell shit.

The worse thing I found.....There is a constant traffic flow in the club.
The whole time I was out, there was people walking back and forth.....all night.
Its a right pain in the arse, letting stnuc through when ur going mental.

It's like being in a massive crowd, and u get the shit spot.
The spot where everyone walks passed you to get closer in, but everywhere on the dancefloor is like that.

People.

If you are gonna drop one....take it to the stairwell.