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Re: Learning to produce trance help me produce dubstep?

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:23 am
by Anne Droid
acrap wrote:Hey guys i've had troubles in the past with making brostep like i've so desperately been trying to do, one thing i've noticed though is that brostep often has alot of trance breakdowns and what not and i was previously into trance before brostep completely took over my taste in music. Would learning how to produce trance directly help me in producing brostep? Probably an obvious answer but i've never produced before these last 3 months and its been strictly focused on brostep. Maybe switching would inspire me in the melodic aspects instead of focusing on straight filth. Also would you guys consider different types of electronic music as "easier" in terms of structure to produce as opposed to brostep. i'm saying this because alot of popular brosteppers that i'm into have started off at other genres and dropped into brostep from there. thanks
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Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:25 pm
by royel
try adding a sub bass-line

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:38 pm
by SunkLo
Try following the instructions people already gave you. Listen to reggae, funk, soul, blues, etc. Read all of the Production Bible sticky. Start a habit of producing every single day, and whenever you feel like stopping go for another 5 minutes. Who gives a shit about brostep or trance, just start up your daw, play around, and make whatever music comes to you. Concentrate on specific areas to focus on and stick to them until you've mastered that skill. Accept that your music isn't going to sound pro right away. There's no other approach or something someone will say to you on a forum that will suddenly light a spark in your head and start you cranking out inspired tunes. You just have to make shit tunes over and over and make them a bit less shit each time.

You're like trying to become a master artist and asking "hey man I tried some doodles on a napkin but it was shit. Do you think I'd be better if I tried pastels on construction paper?" No you're probably going to be equally shit because you just fucking started. But if you worked hard on napkin doodles and pastels and painting and charcoal and illustration and landscapes and portraits and ink and electronic design, eventually you'd be able to make art out of anything.

Maybe you just don't appreciate how skilled producers actually are. Don't you think if it was so easy to learn how to become an amazing musician and create professional music that everyone would do it? It requires an investment of time and effort. You should work very hard at anything and everything that will make you a better musician. People have suggested listening to other music, try making other music too. Try making something that's far away from brostep, or even better learn an instrument. Or since you're just looking for the fast track route, download some massive patches and midi files and paint by numbers. What you get out of it depends on what you put into it.

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:57 pm
by benjam
This thread is amazing fuck snh im moving back here haha

Re: Trying to copy songs to get better any suggestions?

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:56 pm
by Artie_Fufkin
Ya I had a go at reproducing a lil wayne track without the vocals one time :P

Re: your random thoughts (NSFW)

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:35 pm
by hasezwei
i once posted in a thread minutes before it got locked

Re: your random thoughts (NSFW)

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:00 pm
by SunkLo
hasezwei wrote:i once posted in a thread minutes before it got locked
:lol:

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:03 pm
by Turnipish_Thoughts
Music Theory for Computer Musicians

Composition for Computer Musicians

Harmony for Computer Musicians

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How to Make a Noise

Becoming a Synthesizer Wizard

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Sound FX - Unlocking the Creative potential of recording studio effects

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Computer Music (Subscribe, its cheaper)

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Read these.

It's hard coming in to a thread like this because you want to say so much but its impossible to actually say what you want to. If i could somehow impart all the knowledge I've gained over the years of producing I would. But it's not possible.

Yes you need to learn Synthesis and Music Theory, all of it, extremely intimately, you need to pick your synths/instruments/samplers/daw(s) and learn them intimately. You need to go through a slow and gradual transformation of someone just starting out with a passion and zest for production, into a very well learned, seasoned and capable music producer having had years of practice and dedication to the subject. The only way to do that is to actually dedicate yourself utterly to your love.

You need to make lots of shit tunes now and STOP getting annoyed that you're making shit tunes. KNOW YOUR PLACE, learn, teach yourself, stop trying to 'make polished tracks' because you can't and won't be able to for a very very long time, understand this fact, right now. Stop comparing yourself to the music you love, because you are not one of those producers, you are you. remove any perception you have of what you want to sound like or where you want to go and dive in to the world of sound and sound creation, your love for music should be the love of the music, not the idealism of where you will be in life, 'making good music' and 'djing' your music in clubs, its a reflection of egotism, it seems more like you love the 'idea' of making the music you love.

Take the zest you have and remove the angst and impatience. Get humble, really humble, set yourself out for the long haul, accept that if you want ANYTHING out of this passion its going to have to become your Raison d'ĂȘtre for the rest of your life. You are going to have to change who you are, develop who you are and what you do in life and focus a hell of a lot of it around the wonderful nature of sound and sonic manipulation, composition, tonality, harmony, texture, timbre, psychoacoustics and the rest until you're so knowledgeable of it all that creating amazing music comes naturally to you, you can't be that person until you go through the process, its impossible, geniuses aren't born, they are made. If you love music this much you need to nurture that, develop the depth and breadth of your love of music and become a conduit for your inspirations.

This takes time and dedication. Accept this, utterly, either take the journey or don't. The point is you're going to have to put in a decade until you're even close to getting to where you want to be.

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:17 pm
by acrap
Turnipish Thoughts wrote:Music Theory for Computer Musicians

Composition for Computer Musicians

Harmony for Computer Musicians

--
How to Make a Noise

Becoming a Synthesizer Wizard

--

Sound FX - Unlocking the Creative potential of recording studio effects

--

Computer Music (Subscribe, its cheaper)

----------

Read these.

It's hard coming in to a thread like this because you want to say so much but its impossible to actually say what you want to. If i could somehow impart all the knowledge I've gained over the years of producing I would. But it's not possible.

Yes you need to learn Synthesis and Music Theory, all of it, extremely intimately, you need to pick your synths/instruments/samplers/daw(s) and learn them intimately. You need to go through a slow and gradual transformation of someone just starting out with a passion and zest for production, into a very well learned, seasoned and capable music producer having had years of practice and dedication to the subject. The only way to do that is to actually dedicate yourself utterly to your love.

You need to make lots of shit tunes now and STOP getting annoyed that you're making shit tunes. KNOW YOUR PLACE, learn, teach yourself, stop trying to 'make polished tracks' because you can't and won't be able to for a very very long time, understand this fact, right now. Stop comparing yourself to the music you love, because you are not one of those producers, you are you. remove any perception you have of what you want to sound like or where you want to go and dive in to the world of sound and sound creation, your love for music should be the love of the music, not the idealism of where you will be in life, 'making good music' and 'djing' your music in clubs, its a reflection of egotism, it seems more like you love the 'idea' of making the music you love.

Take the zest you have and remove the angst and impatience. Get humble, really humble, set yourself out for the long haul, accept that if you want ANYTHING out of this passion its going to have to become your Raison d'ĂȘtre for the rest of your life. You are going to have to change who you are, develop who you are and what you do in life and focus a hell of a lot of it around the wonderful nature of sound and sonic manipulation, composition, tonality, harmony, texture, timbre, psychoacoustics and the rest until you're so knowledgeable of it all that creating amazing music comes naturally to you, you can't be that person until you go through the process, its impossible, geniuses aren't born, they are made. If you love music this much you need to nurture that, develop the depth and breadth of your love of music and become a conduit for your inspirations.

This takes time and dedication. Accept this, utterly, either take the journey or don't. The point is you're going to have to put in a decade until you're even close to getting to where you want to be.
this post is insanely good thanks so much

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:39 am
by blinx
This Thread has Officially Reached
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Why is this not locked yet lol ill try to help kill this thing.

Dubturbo
Skrillex
HamVST

...... :4: :4:

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:42 am
by acrap
blinx wrote:This Thread has Officially Reached
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Why is this not locked yet lol ill try to help kill this thing.

Dubturbo
Skrillex
HamVST

...... :4: :4:
this thread isnt locked because besides the 4 or 5 cock suckers like yourself there has actually been alot of usable information on here.

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:13 am
by antipode
definately try hamvst op.

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:21 am
by acrap
epochalypso wrote:definately try hamvst op.
you use the ham vst to make the shitty mix in your sig? how about you actually produce something you talent less fuck

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:52 am
by Anne Droid
acrap wrote:
epochalypso wrote:definately try hamvst op.
you use the ham vst to make the shitty mix in your sig? how about you actually produce something you talent less fuck

y so srs brah

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:19 am
by eldoogle
:smurf:

Re: Wow i'm seriously desperate for help.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:30 am
by wub
acrap wrote:
epochalypso wrote:definately try hamvst op.
you use the ham vst to make the shitty mix in your sig? how about you actually produce something you talent less fuck

See, I was all willing to leave this thread open for you to post your questions in, but since you've started calling people names, I think it's time for a lock.