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hugh wrote: why are ignoring the hints the film gives. Heck, they aren't even hints, they are just outright statements he is still alive
1) Fox didn't know Batman had fixed the autopilot months before. The massive hint being that Batman did not pilot up to detnation point.
2) He's in the fucking cafe
3) Catwoman is in the fucking Cafe
4) Alfred and Bruce Wayne nod to each other as if to say "so the plan comes full circle" - theres absolutely no fucking way that this was anybody but Bruce Wayne. Absolutely no way.

I'm sorry but he's 100% alive, just he's moved on and changed his identity, because Gotham had nothing but pain for him. I mean really, the whole film is dropping hints towards Batman's retirement then it shows him actually enjoying this retirement and you still think he's dead?
wuuuuuut?

ketamine wrote:None of you are correct. After the credits roll Batman washes up on a beach & taken to Saito, an old man waiting to die alone... Should've stuck around

hugh wrote:also, batdog

• Batman should have died. I wanted to believe he had, what with him being in the plane, and Alfred is just a mental, but as mentioned the Selina Kyle thing makes no sense.
  Even mentioning Robin was so, so gay.
  Bane was quality, voice was weird but got used to it. I guess they did well to make it decipherable from the original version. I'd really like to have known more about his mask/injuries. His death was lame.
  Catwoman better than expected, still had some terrible lines.
  The whole Alfred/Bruce thing was clunky and just a bit whack.
  The pit/prison was cool, ridiculous idea, but cool.
  The Neeson/Cotillard twist was good I thought, but sort of skewed everyone else's characters/motivation

hugh wrote: I also felt they ruined the film by making the stakes too high too early. By introducing the bomb to annihilate the city so early they set the bar of tension to high and the film couldn't carry that aspect of "omg what if it goes off" all the way through to the end. In another way, this is where Batman 2 is far superior. Joker raises the stakes little by little and turns it into more of a game as he does more and more crazy shit. I just felt once that Stadium explosion went off, there was nothing else to really happen other than for batman to come back and save the day, which is basically all that happened for the next 40 minutes to an hour as we waited for batman to get better so he could escape.

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