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Re: Chinese Bitcoin Exchange Vanishes Taking £2.5m of Coins

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:01 pm
by Genevieve
alphacat wrote:The value of gold is not arbitrary: besides its physical properties, which are useful in electronics and engineering - every chip in your computer is wired up with gold, for example - it is also durable and doesn't corrode, the supply is scarce but more or less steady, and there's a long running track record reinforcing its value (or the cultural perception thereof some like Von Mises would argue. Or aesthetics, etc... where's LD when you need her?)
I didn't say its value is arbitrary, I said subjective. Its value isn't arbitrary because it's subjectively valued highly by a lot of people.

And it's something I argued in the 'basic income guarantee thread', though you left out something crucial...
Genevieve wrote:The reason a corporate lawyer makes more money than someone cleaning anything is similar to why gold or diamonds are expensive and wood is cheap, even if wood has far more useful applications than gold has. I don't think society as we know it could exist without wood, but it's so abundant that we place fairly little value on it. Gold is a rarity and has some uses, but its main appeal came from its relative rarity combined with aesthetic appeal. Its historical place in society has cemented it as something people place value on. Some people would naively have you think that labor determines value. But it doesn't matter if you went looking for that one piece of gold for years brushing dirt away with a toothbrush, or if you accidentally syumbled on that one piece of gold when you were hiking. People's interest in your gold hasn't increased because it took a lot of effort for you to find it.[
That those things you mentioned add value to it are subjective calls.

Von Mises argued that the strength of a currency is co-decided by its practical use. It's not an argument of objective value, but longevity in subjective value.

Re: Chinese Bitcoin Exchange Vanishes Taking £2.5m of Coins

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:22 am
by nowaysj
Genevieve wrote:A fiat currency is one that ... is declared legal tender by law.
To my understanding, Germany has done this.

Re: Chinese Bitcoin Exchange Vanishes Taking £2.5m of Coins

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:58 am
by test_recordings
nowaysj wrote:
Genevieve wrote:A fiat currency is one that ... is declared legal tender by law.
To my understanding, Germany has done this.
I think Canada did as well, or at least permit ATMs for it or something

Re: Chinese Bitcoin Exchange Vanishes Taking £2.5m of Coins

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:28 am
by Genevieve
nowaysj wrote:
Genevieve wrote:A fiat currency is one that ... is declared legal tender by law.
To my understanding, Germany has done this.
Yeah though in merely the context of it being allowed by legal tender laws would make any money; including gold fiat or at one point, fiat furrency. Before 1913, gold was declared legal tender in the US so it would have been fiat money too. If you leave out the rest of the bit you posted, it's pretty pointless to argue what is fiat currency.

Re: Chinese Bitcoin Exchange Vanishes Taking £2.5m of Coins

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:14 am
by m8son666
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Re: Chinese Bitcoin Exchange Vanishes Taking £2.5m of Coins

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:08 pm
by mks
This just happened a few weeks ago at the end of October.

http://www.welivesecurity.com/2013/11/0 ... n-the-net/

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:38 am
by Phigure
look how far we've come since the last post in this thread :h:

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it'll hit 5k within 6 months, mark my words.


kicking myself for not holding on to all the bitcoins i mined months ago... but ive been riding the price spike since about 250 so i cant complain

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:50 am
by Jizz
has there been a 2.0 of Silk Road?

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:29 am
by bennyfroobs
how do u turn bitcoints into something useful except for using them to buy some amsterdam eccies on silkroad

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 2:30 am
by bennyfroobs
(rip silkroad)

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:19 am
by Phigure
JizzMan wrote:has there been a 2.0 of Silk Road?
sheep marketplace b2b blackmarket reloaded :4:

bennyfroobs wrote:how do u turn bitcoints into something useful except for using them to buy some amsterdam eccies on silkroad
at the moment not all that much but there's a boom in business accepting it, loads of random small business, newegg.com is considering it, subway has a few stores that do, bitcoin ATMs are popping up, richard branson said virgin galactic will take you into space for bitcoin, a large airline tickets site has started accepting them, etc, etc.

finally able to do the ldn trip ive been wanting to do for years because of bitcoin :U:

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:53 am
by Samuel_L_Damnson
Just started mining Litecoins[LTC] whilst at uni. hoping its a good investment for the future.

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:52 am
by wub

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:39 am
by wub

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:59 pm
by Dub_freak
Time to start investing in Dogecoin.

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:00 pm
by Johoosh
Dub_freak wrote:Time to start investing in Dogecoin.
@FourTet 18h
working on website/app collab with audiogalaxy where you will be able to order unreleased tracks I've made with burial using dogecoins

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:01 pm
by Marcus
Dub_freak wrote:Time to start investing in Dogecoin.
4chan are pushing in really hard in attempt to get rich but will never really happen since a lot of people have millions of them.

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:07 pm
by Phigure
Basically the reason the price exploded past 300 and up to a max of 1200 was mostly Chinese buyers, now the the Chinese government isn't allowing deposits into bitcoin exchanges so it's like 50% of the market just died over night. Plus all the Chinese that will be looking to get out and selling all their coins, just basic supply vs demand

Market will go sideways if not down even further for a few months until another mini-bubble gets started and pushes the price past the all time high again

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:49 pm
by alphacat
BBC wrote:
One expert suggested the crackdown was the result of the Chinese government's fears that locals were using it as a way to bypass currency controls in order to move their savings out of the country.

"China is trying to grow its domestic economy and rebalance it from an export and investment-based model to a consumer driven one over the next decade, and to do that the authorities want to keep as much yuan within the country as possible," said Jinny Yan, an economist with Standard Chartered bank.

"They don't want to curtail any innovation in the financial sector. However, at the moment any unexpected growth and development in channels that allow by-passing of capital controls will cause anxiety."

Ms Spaven added that she believed Bitcoin would eventually bounce back.

"Underneath all the speculative trading is a robust technology that has intrinsic value as a payment network, offering cheaper and faster money transfer than any other options that exist currently," she said.

"If you look at our Bitcoin Price Index, you can see that prices dipped to below the current level this time last month and soon bounced back. I believe the same will happen this time around. It may take some time, but the price will rise again."

Re: Bitcoin

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 10:40 pm
by rorz9992
Phigure wrote:Market will go sideways if not down even further for a few months until another mini-bubble gets started and pushes the price past the all time high again
Yep looking to sell at that point, gonna be patient and play the long game but hopefully can cash out by the summer and make a decent profit!