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magma wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote: Depends on what angle you approach life from, some people see a 9-5 as a way to pay to just live and contribute their bit, then have interests that don't financially cost a lot to partake in but that's what they live for.
The music industry is as much a ball ache as a 9-5 for a shitty wage, sure you might get a lot of money quick from making music but that is only about 10% of it and it don't last to long for the average, especially in this day and age. I know artist that are seriously mentally scarred by the music biz because it's not what they imagined and it cost them relationships, they thought it would be...sit on your arse, knock out some tunes in your studio, go on tour and receive dollar and that's it for the rest of their life.

I've been working 9-5 for 13 years. I am at peace with it because it pays my bills and allows me to have an extremely comfortable and fun life, but it's got zero glamour and, frankly, I work like a dog for everything I get; I've just come off a 30 hour weekend for which I'll get paid vastly less than these chaps will get for a single hour of putting records on turntables one after the other... I don't get dap from strangers, head from groupies and free drugs for turning up and fixing servers either.

Everyone I've ever seen make it in the pop industry has worked incredibly hard (that includes a few artists and a lot of "industry" workers) and I don't doubt that Disclosure have too. Tearing them down and trying to convince yourself that they must be miserable seems an awful lot like jealousy tbh... I'm sure everyone of us that's ever posted in the Production forum would bite an A&R's hand off if offered even 2 years on the road in return for making more pop-friendly tunes.

If someone offered me a 2 year break from my 9-5 in order to make records with Mariah Carey and Justin Bieber, even knowing I had to come back, I'd be out of here quicker than you could say "sell out". I have a feeling the vast majority of people, if actually being honest with themselves, would do the same.

Yeah actually.

Even if there's hardships, even some scarring shit in there, I don't think people ever get that far without even longing for it. There's prob's some money. But also travel and all sorts of other good shit. Ever read a tour diary of some of these musicians? Shit you won't even see on tv. It's not a structured and predictable life and that itself has probably more value to some of these musicians than all the money in the world.

And btw. Performers "lip syncing' isn't a new low in pop music. This is part of the job. People have so much trouble separating the job musician from the creative outlet musician. Maybe it's not the most emotionally stimulating music to some (I've only heard one Disclosure tune and I forgot what it sounds like), but that's not point. Bottomline is, these kids got a way cooler job than most of us have. I've made this point before in another Diclosure thread, but not everyone flipping burgers at Burger King actually LIKES the food they make, but it brings in the bills. But Disclosure are flipping some pretty sub-par burgers for good money, world tours and crazy stories.

Y'all should spend half the time you spend hating on Disclosure on hating other people with jobs producing shitty products or services in other companies.

wolf89 wrote:That's true just all my point was is that for the listener the "I would do it to" argument doesn't really change the fact that you don't want to go see some dick miming a dj set.

Mayne, we're not their target audience. If their target audience doesn't mind it, neither do I.

magma wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote: Depends on what angle you approach life from, some people see a 9-5 as a way to pay to just live and contribute their bit, then have interests that don't financially cost a lot to partake in but that's what they live for.
The music industry is as much a ball ache as a 9-5 for a shitty wage, sure you might get a lot of money quick from making music but that is only about 10% of it and it don't last to long for the average, especially in this day and age. I know artist that are seriously mentally scarred by the music biz because it's not what they imagined and it cost them relationships, they thought it would be...sit on your arse, knock out some tunes in your studio, go on tour and receive dollar and that's it for the rest of their life.

I've been working 9-5 for 13 years. I am at peace with it because it pays my bills and allows me to have an extremely comfortable and fun life, but it's got zero glamour and, frankly, I work like a dog for everything I get; I've just come off a 30 hour weekend for which I'll get paid vastly less than these chaps will get for a single hour of putting records on turntables one after the other... I don't get dap from strangers, head from groupies and free drugs for turning up and fixing servers either.

Everyone I've ever seen make it in the pop industry has worked incredibly hard (that includes a few artists and a lot of "industry" workers) and I don't doubt that Disclosure have too. Tearing them down and trying to convince yourself that they must be miserable seems an awful lot like jealousy tbh... I'm sure everyone of us that's ever posted in the Production forum would bite an A&R's hand off if offered even 2 years on the road in return for making more pop-friendly tunes.

If someone offered me a 2 year break from my 9-5 in order to make records with Mariah Carey and Justin Bieber, even knowing I had to come back, I'd be out of here quicker than you could say "sell out". I have a feeling the vast majority of people, if actually being honest with themselves, would do the same.

I agree, I'm not knocking the guys that do it, I'm saying it is hard work and it don't last forever, it's far from a steady income, only on rare occasions does it last over 5 years to give you enough cash to enjoy it and not to have to worry about how the next set of bills gets payed just look at UKG guys that had No.1 hits back in the early 2000's I bet none of them are set for life and only a handful still make money from music, even popstars from that era ended up in call centres. Knowing how the music industry works, I think I would rather have a career that has longevity and decent money over short lived fame and even shorter lived income, you have to work hard for anything these days but a career in a non-creative industry seems the safer option, maybe just not for the ego.

Oh yeah, it's definitely not guaranteed for life... and, tbh, that makes me have a lot more time for people who are accused of "selling out". For example, Dizzee Rascal after Showtime (or arguably even after BIDC)... dude hasn't made anything in about 8 years that I give a solitary fuck about, but I'd like to think he's been busy exploiting the pop market to set up a pension for himself so he doesn't end up having to apply to call centres when he's 45.

I don't have a problem with that in the slightest, especially in 2013 when we can easily avoid almost anything if we want to.

magma wrote:Oh yeah, it's definitely not guaranteed for life... and, tbh, that makes me have a lot more time for people who are accused of "selling out". For example, Dizzee Rascal after Showtime (or arguably even after BIDC)... dude hasn't made anything in about 8 years that I give a solitary fuck about, but I'd like to think he's been busy exploiting the pop market to set up a pension for himself so he doesn't end up having to apply to call centres when he's 45.

I don't have a problem with that in the slightest, especially in 2013 when we can easily avoid almost anything if we want to.

Yeah, Wiley is also a prime example of this, artistically his output is gash but he makes no bones about why he is doing it.

thought this thread was gonna be about a new disclosure track
just leave them alone guys

Coming soon...

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Pedro, you made my day!

magma wrote: Everyone I've ever seen make it in the pop industry has worked incredibly hard (that includes a few artists and a lot of "industry" workers) and I don't doubt that Disclosure have too. Tearing them down and trying to convince yourself that they must be miserable seems an awful lot like jealousy tbh... I'm sure everyone of us that's ever posted in the Production forum would bite an A&R's hand off if offered even 2 years on the road in return for making more pop-friendly tunes.

4 real 4 real. nuff hate on this forum even though the majority of people used to rate them highly. like i said, this thread is very similar to the blackdown one.

"i'd tell the promoters to fuck off" - top 5 selected line in dsf history.

magma wrote:Oh yeah, it's definitely not guaranteed for life... and, tbh, that makes me have a lot more time for people who are accused of "selling out". For example, Dizzee Rascal after Showtime (or arguably even after BIDC)... dude hasn't made anything in about 8 years that I give a solitary fuck about, but I'd like to think he's been busy exploiting the pop market to set up a pension for himself so he doesn't end up having to apply to call centres when he's 45.

I don't have a problem with that in the slightest, especially in 2013 when we can easily avoid almost anything if we want to.

I know this is off tropic but that album is so underrated. When you listen to it you can hear him contemplating on whether to go mainstream or to carry on doing grime. Also the last track is personal favorite.

dunno who this is but pretty funny

TopManLurka wrote:

magma wrote: Everyone I've ever seen make it in the pop industry has worked incredibly hard (that includes a few artists and a lot of "industry" workers) and I don't doubt that Disclosure have too. Tearing them down and trying to convince yourself that they must be miserable seems an awful lot like jealousy tbh... I'm sure everyone of us that's ever posted in the Production forum would bite an A&R's hand off if offered even 2 years on the road in return for making more pop-friendly tunes.

4 real 4 real. nuff hate on this forum even though the majority of people used to rate them highly. like i said, this thread is very similar to the blackdown one.

"i'd tell the promoters to fuck off" - top 5 selected line in dsf history.

you've quoted that so many times lol

do you want me to react or something?

cus i dont really care - im just saying if i built my way up in a scene and was respected by people who i respect, i wouldn't play a dj set with the decks unplugged even if they gave me 10k

however, like i also said, if someone offered me that money tomorrow to play a electro pop house set i probably would, cus no-one knows who i am

two very different situations

moneys great, but i don't think id want money knowing that the sorta people i usually get along with and respect would despise me

Agent 47 wrote:moneys great, but i don't think id want money knowing that the sorta people i usually get along with and respect would despise me

If your mates stop being your mates when you start a new job, they're probably not your mates. I work for an organisation far less pleasant than EMI, Universal or Island but I still manage to go for pints with the same people as I did when I worked for a chummy independent company in Bristol. I don't think there's much of a difference between that and moving from making weird music for no money to making profitable music for a mass audience.

People take this shit FAR too seriously.

I've said it before, but I don't understand how people are so familiar with acts they're clearly never going to enjoy. Why waste your lives?!

it's not about mates being your mates ffs

This is all Wub's fault

fuck, he did it again

magma wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:moneys great, but i don't think id want money knowing that the sorta people i usually get along with and respect would despise me

If your mates stop being your mates when you start a new job, they're probably not your mates. I work for an organisation far less pleasant than EMI, Universal or Island but I still manage to go for pints with the same people as I did when I worked for a chummy independent company in Bristol. I don't think there's much of a difference between that and moving from making weird music for no money to making profitable music for a mass audience.

People take this shit FAR too seriously.

I've said it before, but I don't understand how people are so familiar with acts they're clearly never going to enjoy. Why waste your lives?!

yeah im just saying id rather be at the top of an underground scene, living comfortably and with the respect from my peers

than rich from a shitty pop career surrounded my people i dont like

say i was in the same postion as someone like Pinch or Scuba (putting out nice releases yourself and owning a label) i wouldn't stop what im doing to get rich from a pop career. not for shit.

wub wrote:

Genevieve wrote:The girl's outfit is equally offensive

I believe that's Eliza Doolittle - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Dool ... 8singer%29

Owner of the finest pair of legs in pop

I don't really have anything else to contribute to this thread tbh

Pedro Sánchez wrote:This is all Wub's fault

imami wrote:fuck, he did it again

Dance, puppets, DANCE!

Agent 47 wrote:

magma wrote:

Agent 47 wrote:moneys great, but i don't think id want money knowing that the sorta people i usually get along with and respect would despise me

If your mates stop being your mates when you start a new job, they're probably not your mates. I work for an organisation far less pleasant than EMI, Universal or Island but I still manage to go for pints with the same people as I did when I worked for a chummy independent company in Bristol. I don't think there's much of a difference between that and moving from making weird music for no money to making profitable music for a mass audience.

People take this shit FAR too seriously.

I've said it before, but I don't understand how people are so familiar with acts they're clearly never going to enjoy. Why waste your lives?!

yeah im just saying id rather be at the top of an underground scene, living comfortably and with the respect from my peers

than rich from a shitty pop career surrounded my people i dont like

say i was in the same postion as someone like Pinch or Scuba (putting out nice releases yourself and owning a label) i wouldn't stop what im doing to get rich from a pop career. not for shit.

I'm sure we'd all rather be Aphex Twin than Pendulum, but I'd be amazed if anyone here would actually turn down the opportunity to swap places with either of them. Pendulum probably make more people happy on a regular basis too.

Shame is for loners and basement people.

lol yeah, i think we agree with each other?

my point all along has been that id rather be a respected artist than a pop star... but yeah, i'd rather be a popstar than work a shitty 9-5.