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robbiej wrote: There is financial cost both to individuals and municipalities in removing this "art".

i still think its funny that graffiti is associated with hip hop, its perfect. i mean if there was ever a culture that misunderstood the word 'respect' its hip hop.

If you bothered to read some details from this thread, you would know that we have so different views on the financial aspect in this thing, but its always up to the one that removes to actually do that.
Its free to keep!

And it is important to remember that most people did not hate graff before media had used some years to make it look like a pastime killer for hustlers and druggies! After that the norm is to hate on tagging and to point out that colored graff is ok if its legal.

BUT DONT COME BRINGING YOUR HATE TO THE HIPHOP CULTURE!
WHAT THE FAC DO YOU KNOW OF RESPECT WITHIN HIPHOP?

spiro wrote: If you bothered to read some details from this thread, you would know that we have so different views on the financial aspect in this thing, but its always up to the one that removes to actually do that.
Its free to keep!

Its statements like this that make me not have a serious discussion here, pathetic.

robbiej wrote:Again i dont hate graffiti, sometimes (SOMETIMES!!) its art. It offends me to have to look at this stuff without choice. You're esentially art fascists. make some tags on your own fucking property put out flyer and if im interested ill go see (plesae keep in mind that A: im not interested and B: i wont go) otherwise : STAY THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY!

hahahahaah quality! big up Robbie!

dear Spiro

I am an artist. I basically i remove my pants and take a shit.
That shit is my art.
I will visit your house and cover it in my shit.
remember; ITS FREE TO KEEP!!!!

fucking morons

robbiej wrote:I keep reading all this " hes got a great handstyle, nice 'R' or whatever". Is there some reason that taggers cant just tag canvas or there own property?. i mean the sheer arrogance involved, the complete lack of respect for property, for your communities.

property & community are not the same thing.

theres actually a pretty decent argument that property is THE disrespect of community, quite possibly the antithesis.

what the "community" needs to do, is recognize the screams of its children, and actually support the arts & music amongst the youth, which is woefully lacking in all respects.

robbiej wrote:There is financial cost both to individuals and municipalities in removing this "art". i own a business and i have spent $1000's on expensive removal from stupid fucking tags. Do any of you want to re-imburse me?. How about provide me you licence plate number or your parents address and i can have a few people come by and get to work.

perhaps you should throw a couple hundred to a writer you consider a "artist" and have them piece/mural your business. a fresh enough piece will most likely get respect and you wont have anybody catchin tags on your shit.

robbiej wrote:The narccisim involved in doing this is off the charts. I make art to, but i live my life with respect. I let people choose for themsleves, when and where to see my art, thats what artists do. Having to force your art on people, is proof of how little value it actually has.

i still think its funny that graffiti is associated with hip hop, its perfect. i mean if there was ever a culture that misunderstood the word 'respect' its hip hop.

cookie cutter views on art & Hiphop...

if there has ever been a culture that is misunderstood, its Hiphop...

artists "do" whatever they want, thats why they are artists.

robbiej wrote:Again i dont hate graffiti, sometimes (SOMETIMES!!) its art. It offends me to have to look at this stuff without choice. You're esentially art fascists. make some tags on your own fucking property put out flyer and if im interested ill go see (plesae keep in mind that A: im not interested and B: i wont go) otherwise : STAY THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY!

if any of the 'writers' want to put their money where their mouth is, then pm me and i can tell how you can help re-imburse all the money ive lost because of your 'art'.

lol @ art facists.....

art facists are those who decide what art is...

art facists arent the writer bombing the billboard, the BILLBOARD is the art facist.....

STAY THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY, unless you are gonna buy something lol... community...

yup. lots of silly assed comments in this thread.

for all the angry people wanting answers as to why graff heads do what they do... check this ..seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EySw04cphOk

conscious_pilot wrote:posting pictures of your graffiti online = snitching on yourself

anyways, there is already an ASEK. best advice, find a new name and stop posting.

oh my...well, thank you so much...i only wish you had told me earlier, geez...i'm gonna get on changing my name i've been writing for x number of years and stop posting on a thread i havent posted on in almost a month...

ps. the wackness of posting graffiti(mostly mine)in a thread specifically for graf, in a random thread section has already been pointed out...

Lol, this sh*t still going on?

Farkeen ell'.........

LOL

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*inserts finger into nose*