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Jungleboy wrote:The Government keep us ignorant in what we need to know through the education system. As I explained previously, you or anyone else can only get into certain educational centers or work places through grading or birth right. What we learn ultimately comes down to what we believe in after education. You can only learn what the government wishes for you to learn, do you think that Google and other search engines arnt controlled by the government to control what we see (like what they did in China)?

But you don't have to learn only what the government wishes for you to learn. Just because you need to learn a certain set of things to get into educational centres or work places does not mean you can't learn other sets of things as well.

Case in point this topic. If you only ever learned what the government taught you to learn, you wouldn't have even brought up this topic and there would be nothing to discuss.

Jungleboy wrote:haha. the 2012 Olympics! I havnt really seen any development on that subject or reports within the newspapers for months, is it really going to happen???

They may have very little control on "our" lives at this instant but I have recently thought about the inreased taxes on menial things such as tips at restaurants etc. Where is this money going and how can we be in a "recession" when the taxes on material goods are so high in this country? The money is going to something else and the MPs are just the fall guys for a wider conspiracy?

check this link;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbugwnOE5jQ

Here is a quote from the late great JFK

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence, on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.

I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people."

- John F Kennedy on 27 April 1961

The Bildabergs are the Illuminati.

there is a song with a quote from a kennedy that goes something like"when men can be murdered by the state then there is no law or order or justice and the @n@rch!sts were right......oh wait they killed jfk nvm

kay wrote:Case in point this topic. If you only ever learned what the government taught you to learn, you wouldn't have even brought up this topic and there would be nothing to discuss.

This!

You can learn about anything you want... I haven't been in any kind of formal education for 8 years, yet I spend more time expanding my knowledge/mind now than I ever used to back then (school bored me, I just wanted to listen to music and play with computers until I was about 18 ). It's all about personal choice.... you are free to learn and believe what you want to learn and believe... but it's nobody's responsibility but your own to arrange that learning.

The State only has a responsibility to make sure that you survive in society. It doesn't have any kind of responsibility to make sure you have a proper understanding of your place in the universe or to teach you about alternative methods of government... that's up to you to find out about by going to libraries, reading books and using Google.

If you learn about new methods of government to such an extent that you want to see one implemented, you have all the power of democracy to help you - if you can convince a voting majority that your way is best, then you will get to have a shot about it.

There's a strong tendancy with anti-establishment types to accuse Democracy of being corrupt or biased. It's not perfect (and voting reform will help things), but people should be very careful of not just being against Democracy because they're in the minority. Most people in this country are perfectly content with the status quo and really wouldn't like things like central government, the army, the police, state education, the NHS or the Highways Agency to disappear for the sake of a few thousand anarchists on the interbox.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4780&hl=en

very interesting discussion between Alex Jones and Peter Joseph, the maker of the Zeitgesit movies.

2hrs long but well worth the watch.

Also, whenever topics like this come up on teh interwebs I can never tell whether the poster is serious or taking the piss.

alien pimp wrote:and you can ruin a pretty good argument with a funny question because confusion is more than we can handle.

therefore it's very hard for the people to discern what to learn and then when to worry about things...

But again, it all comes down to personal effort. If you put the effort in and keep a logical head on your shoulders, then you can be the most informed man in the world.

As a side note on government conspiracy stuff: I watched a great film the other night which was recommended to me after a discussion about Robert McNamara's death: The Fog Of War: Eleven Lessons From The Life Of Robert McNamara

He's always been a bit of a villain in my eyes.. heavily involved with Bag of Pigs and an architect of and Secretary of Defense for much of the Vietnam war... but he tells his own side of it in The Fog Of War (it's also a book)... essentially, top level government comes down to people like you or I (possibly a little more driven - he'd been President of Ford before being asked into government)... normal people dealing with absolutely crazy situations to the best of their abilities. Their fed the same contradictory reports as we are and they have to make decisions... some are hawkish, others are peaceniks, but eventually they have to come to decisions. He massively regrets his actions and admits that given all the evidence now, they were wrong to go into Vietnam, but makes a hell of a good account of his/their thought process going into it. Amazing film... truly thought-provoking - he has a lot of very useful things to say to today's leaders... hoping they won't make the same mistakes.

I found a Rapidshare of it easy enough, I reckon you'll dig it...

personally, i am a firm believer in the Illuminati, and think it's all very fucked. i get off on just letting people know what's really going on, only truth can set us free. i also believe that if you are pure of heart and mind, and maintain a righteous life to the best of your abilities, you will be rewarded in the spiritual world.

bless

i just finally watched the Watchmen movie. like woah.

Magma wrote:

alien pimp wrote:and you can ruin a pretty good argument with a funny question because confusion is more than we can handle.

therefore it's very hard for the people to discern what to learn and then when to worry about things...

But again, it all comes down to personal effort. If you put the effort in and keep a logical head on your shoulders, then you can be the most informed man in the world.

As a side note on government conspiracy stuff: I watched a great film the other night which was recommended to me after a discussion about Robert McNamara's death: The Fog Of War: Eleven Lessons From The Life Of Robert McNamara

He's always been a bit of a villain in my eyes.. heavily involved with Bag of Pigs and an architect of and Secretary of Defense for much of the Vietnam war... but he tells his own side of it in The Fog Of War (it's also a book)... essentially, top level government comes down to people like you or I (possibly a little more driven - he'd been President of Ford before being asked into government)... normal people dealing with absolutely crazy situations to the best of their abilities. Their fed the same contradictory reports as we are and they have to make decisions... some are hawkish, others are peaceniks, but eventually they have to come to decisions. He massively regrets his actions and admits that given all the evidence now, they were wrong to go into Vietnam, but makes a hell of a good account of his/their thought process going into it. Amazing film... truly thought-provoking - he has a lot of very useful things to say to today's leaders... hoping they won't make the same mistakes.

I found a Rapidshare of it easy enough, I reckon you'll dig it...

Yeah it's a great film. It's good to see people in position's of power depicted in an honest way.

Parson wrote:i just finally watched the Watchmen movie. like woah.

dang that was my 6666th post

some people say they don't effect us that much, they control everything but those who really suffer are those in the poorer countries (who the bilderbergs keep poor btw) where millions if not billions of innocents die due to their bullshit.

dodgy dealings to gain support for a war with north korea? or should we believe what our governments are saying?


http://www.pcworld.com/article/168353/u ... k=rss_news

Osky wrote:the bilderbergs

Everybody knows the lizard people are behind everything...

hackman wrote:dodgy dealings to gain support for a war with north korea? or should we believe what our governments are saying?


http://www.pcworld.com/article/168353/u ... k=rss_news

so we're going to give support for a war with north koria because a few peoples websites got fucked?

i dont know, they weren't just "a few peoples websites" though really were they?
its just propaganda

NilsFG wrote:

Osky wrote:the bilderbergs

Everybody knows the lizard people are behind everything...

this is the third or fourth time thats been posted in this thread, no-one laughed the first time why the fuck would anyone laugh now, moron

it does seem to be impossible to have a discussion on this without people constantly making jokes