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Let me guess a few of your other beliefs:

- Vaccinations are evil and definately not helpful.

- We have never been to the moon.

- Reptiles are hiding in human bodies taking over the world.

- There is a new world order happening involving 'people behind the curtain'.

- Federal Reserve is entirely corrupt.

- Something about oil.

alien pimp wrote:

Are you posting politician's opinion as scientific fact now?

Mind control science please.

magma wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

Are you posting politician's opinion as scientific fact now?

Mind control science please.

you definitely can't read a fucking signature, how can you claim you studied shit?
focus on what it says.
if you have reasons to doubt the content, explain them (as if you could, but hey, i'm nice enough to credit you)
your obsession with the mind control shit becomes a case of medical study and i'm not qualified to treat it.

alien pimp wrote:

magma wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

Are you posting politician's opinion as scientific fact now?

Mind control science please.

you definitely can't read a fucking signature, how can you claim you studied shit?
your obsession with the mind control shit becomes a case of medical study and i'm not qualified to treat it.

But this is the point. I don't dispute that an excess of any chemical in the body can produce bad medical results. Hell, even excess Vitamin A (as experienced in Scandinavian countries with extremely high fish diets - but I doubt you know about something so scientifically reliable) can cause osteoporosis.... so any science on that doesn't bother me (or even particularly interest me, it's old news) - regulation is down to dosing advice, it can't possibly be entirely bad or entirely good - it's a nutrient - in certain doses it's good for you and an absence or overdose is bad for you.... simple, innit?

Society had this argument *decades* ago, yet you still care about it. It's quite quaint.

What I actually dispute (and why I started the debate about flouridation) is that it's used for mind control!

Mind Control science please!

You're also sort of breaking your own conspiracy argument by posting letters from lots of countries saying that they don't fluoridate their water, aren't you? Where's the conspiracy if most countries are mainly clean?

Despite the fact that these countries have decided against fluoridation, they have approximately the same level of dental decay as the United States (which is around 60% fluoridated). The following is data from the World Health Organization

DMFT Status (Decayed, Missing & Filled teeth) for 12 year olds:

DMFTs Year Status
Netherlands 0.9 1992-93 unfluoridated
Sweden 1.0 1997 unfluoridated
UK (England, Scotland, N. Ire) 1.1 1996-97 10% fluoridated
Denmark 1.2 1995 unfluoridated
Finland 1.2 1995 unfluoridated
US 1.4 1991 fluoridated
Belgium 1.6 1998 unfluoridated
Germany 1.7 1997 unfluoridated
Austria 1.7 1997 unfluoridated
France 1.9 1998 unfluoridated
Norway 2.1 1993 unfluoridated


Data from: WHO Oral Health Country/Area Profile Programme Department of Noncommunicable Diseases Surveillance/Oral Health WHO Collaborating Centre, Malmö University, Sweden http://www.whocollab.od.mah.se/euro.html

Hmm, that's all irrelevant to mind control yet again.

Do you have anything on that conspiracy?

Just to clarify here... I'm not here to blindly disagree with you. I'm only disputing the bit about mind control... that's why I want mind control science.

You agreed with feral witchchild yesterday that governments drip feed fluoride into citizens in order to sedate them and you said that it's true because fluouride is the main active ingredient of Prozac.

We have shown that fluoride molecules aren't even in Prozac and that fluorine is a minor element at the molecular level (3 parts for each 18 and 19 of hydrogen and oxygen)... comparing Fluxotene (Prozac) to Fluoride is like comparing Sodium to Sodium Cyanide and saying that all Sodium will kill you. It's simply bad science.

But you carry on believing bad science if it makes you happy. Unfortunately, it also makes you a laughing stock around these parts.

http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluori ... /index.asp

Find a link on that page for the American Dental association's paper on Water Fluoridation.

Backed by:

Academy of Dentistry International
Academy of General Dentistry
Academy for Sports Dentistry
Alzheimer’s Association
America’s Health Insurance Plans
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Nurse Practitioners
American Academy of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology
American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry
American Academy of Periodontology
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Association for Community Dental Programs
American Association for Dental Research
American Association for Health Education
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of Endodontists
American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons
American Association of Orthodontists
American Association of Public Health Dentistry
American Association of Women Dentists
American Cancer Society
American College of Dentists
American College of Physicians–American Society
of Internal Medicine
American College of Preventive Medicine
American College of Prosthodontists
American Council on Science and Health
American Dental Assistants Association
American Dental Association
American Dental Education Association
American Dental Hygienists’ Association
American Dietetic Association
American Federation of Labor and Congress
of Industrial Organizations
American Hospital Association
American Legislative Exchange Council
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pharmacists Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Society for Clinical Nutrition
American Society for Nutritional Sciences
American Student Dental Association
American Water Works Association
Association for Academic Health Centers
Association of American Medical Colleges
Association of Clinicians for the Underserved
Association of Maternal and Child Health Programs
Association of State and Territorial Dental Directors
Association of State and Territorial Health Officials
Association of State and Territorial Public Health
Nutrition Directors
British Fluoridation Society
Canadian Dental Association
Canadian Dental Hygienists Association
Canadian Medical Association
Canadian Nurses Association
Canadian Paediatric Society
Canadian Public Health Association
Child Welfare League of America
Children’s Dental Health Project
Chocolate Manufacturers Association
Consumer Federation of America
Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists
Delta Dental Plans Association
FDI World Dental Federation
Federation of American Hospitals
Hispanic Dental Association
Indian Dental Association (U.S.A.)
Institute of Medicine
International Association for Dental Research
International Association for Orthodontics
International College of Dentists
March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation
National Association of Community Health Centers
National Association of County and City Health Officials
National Association of Dental Assistants
National Association of Local Boards of Health
National Association of Social Workers
National Confectioners Association
National Council Against Health Fraud
National Dental Assistants Association
National Dental Association
National Dental Hygienists’ Association
National Down Syndrome Congress
National Down Syndrome Society
National Eating Disorders Association
National Foundation of Dentistry for the Handicapped
National Head Start Association
National Health Law Program
National Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies Coalition
Oral Health America
Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Society for Public Health Education
Society of American Indian Dentists
Special Care Dentistry
Academy of Dentistry for Persons with Disabilities
American Association of Hospital Dentists
American Society for Geriatric Dentistry
The Children’s Health Fund
The Dental Health Foundation (of California)
U.S. Department of Defense
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
U.S. Public Health Service
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research (NIDCR)
World Federation of Orthodontists
World Health Organization

You may find this podcast of interest also: http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4058.mp3

i honestly got to think you are mentally sick man, and i'm honestly not saying it to insult you, that would be the side effect.
here's your mind control shit so you can chill out and leave me alone:
http://presselibreinternationale.com/fl ... e_drug.pdf

According
to the documentation of the Australian Ian E. Stephen (1987), both
Germans and Russians used fluoridation because they had discovered
that it made their prisoners “stupid and docile” (Well Mind
Association22). Eustace Mullins in Murder by Injection36, claimed
that the originators of fluoridation in the United States were informed
about the Soviet uses of fluoride salts to induce sheeplike,
obedient, unthinking behavior, not only in prisoners, but in the general
population at large.This “human” experiment was not original. Apparently, the
obedience drug-like effect was borrowed from animal studies that
showed that breeders of intractable bulls had routinely used sodium
fluoride to successfully tranquilize bulls for easier handling. Since
the 1940s, the prison camps in the Gulag Archipelago in the Soviet
Union were experimental laboratories for discovering just how much
sodium fluoride was necessary for producing an easily managed,
obedient human population36.

do you know the connection between fluoride and fluorine?

i'm not interested to convince you of anyhting, i'm just proving my words and i want these to be available for anyone who might have the ability to read and might fall for your mambo-jumbo
you also can't read dude
so basically you can't be a discussion partner, sorry, talk to me when you will be able to tell if someone's a politician or not by reading its title on a paper printed with large fonts, eg.
or when you have the ability to answer the tens of questions i asked you and you avoided

here's more bad science from UNICEF, not like yours that nobody seen:

The chemical contamination of water supplies – both naturally occurring and from pollution – is a very serious problem. Arsenic and fluoride alone threaten the health of hundreds of millions of people.

http://www.unicef.org/wash/index_43106.html

Additional Details
List of 14 Noble Prize winners who have opposed or expressed reservations about fluoridation.

1) Adolf Butenandt (Chemistry, 1939)
2) Arvid Carlsson (Medicine, 2000)
3) Hans von Euler-Chelpin (Chemistry, 1929).
4) Walter Rudolf Hess (Medicine, 1949)
5) Corneille Jean-François Heymans (Medicine, 1938)
6) Sir Cyril Norman Hinshelwood (Chemistry, 1956)
7) Joshua Lederberg (Medicine, 1958)
William P. Murphy (Medicine, 1934)
Giulio Natta (1963 Nobel Prize in Chemistry)
10) Sir Robert Robinson (Chemistry, 1947)
11) Nikolai Semenov (Chemistry, 1956)
12) James B. Sumner (Chemistry, 1946)
13) Hugo Theorell (Medicine, 1955)
14) Artturi Virtanen (Chemistry, 1945)

DRTY wrote:http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fluori ... /index.asp

Find a link on that page for the American Dental association's paper on Water Fluoridation.

Backed by:

Academy of Dentistry International
Academy of General Dentistry
Academy for Sports Dentistry
Alzheimer’s Association
America’s Health Insurance Plans
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Nurse Practitioners
American Academy of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology
American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry
American Academy of Periodontology
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American Association for Community Dental Programs
American Association for Dental Research
American Association for Health Education
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of Endodontists
American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons
American Association of Orthodontists
American Association of Public Health Dentistry
American Association of Women Dentists
American Cancer Society
American College of Dentists
American College of Physicians–American Society
of Internal Medicine
American College of Preventive Medicine
American College of Prosthodontists
American Council on Science and Health
American Dental Assistants Association
American Dental Association
American Dental Education Association
American Dental Hygienists’ Association
American Dietetic Association
American Federation of Labor and Congress
of Industrial Organizations
American Hospital Association
American Legislative Exchange Council
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pharmacists Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Society for Clinical Nutrition
American Society for Nutritional Sciences
American Student Dental Association
American Water Works Association
Association for Academic Health Centers
Association of American Medical Colleges
Association of Clinicians for the Underserved
Association of Maternal and Child Health Programs
Association of State and Territorial Dental Directors
Association of State and Territorial Health Officials
Association of State and Territorial Public Health
Nutrition Directors
British Fluoridation Society
Canadian Dental Association
Canadian Dental Hygienists Association
Canadian Medical Association
Canadian Nurses Association
Canadian Paediatric Society
Canadian Public Health Association
Child Welfare League of America
Children’s Dental Health Project
Chocolate Manufacturers Association
Consumer Federation of America
Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists
Delta Dental Plans Association
FDI World Dental Federation
Federation of American Hospitals
Hispanic Dental Association
Indian Dental Association (U.S.A.)
Institute of Medicine
International Association for Dental Research
International Association for Orthodontics
International College of Dentists
March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation
National Association of Community Health Centers
National Association of County and City Health Officials
National Association of Dental Assistants
National Association of Local Boards of Health
National Association of Social Workers
National Confectioners Association
National Council Against Health Fraud
National Dental Assistants Association
National Dental Association
National Dental Hygienists’ Association
National Down Syndrome Congress
National Down Syndrome Society
National Eating Disorders Association
National Foundation of Dentistry for the Handicapped
National Head Start Association
National Health Law Program
National Healthy Mothers, Healthy Babies Coalition
Oral Health America
Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
Society for Public Health Education
Society of American Indian Dentists
Special Care Dentistry
Academy of Dentistry for Persons with Disabilities
American Association of Hospital Dentists
American Society for Geriatric Dentistry
The Children’s Health Fund
The Dental Health Foundation (of California)
U.S. Department of Defense
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
U.S. Public Health Service
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research (NIDCR)
World Federation of Orthodontists
World Health Organization

You may find this podcast of interest also: http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4058.mp3

ADA sucks donkey balls because the list is made only of organisations from the 4 states that use fluoridation (i think australia does too, but they are not on the list either), the only two international orgs are the last two and the claim that WHO endorses their paper is a lie, here's the actual WHO position on it:
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/11/21/21066.aspx

The World Health Organization's (WHO) publication, Fluoride in Drinking-water addresses this urgent need, providing the latest scientific evidence on the occurrence of fluoride, its health effects, methods to reduce excess levels, and analysis techniques.

Guidance is particularly needed because fluoride is found in all natural waters at some concentration. Low concentrations are good for teeth, but excessive concentrations can lead to debilitating disease, such as skeletal fluorosis, which has devastated some communities. In China alone, more than 10 million people are estimated to suffer from skeletal fluorosis.

how come that from EU most of the states oppose it if it's obviously beneficial, and from Asia just China did it?

All Party Parliamentary Group Against Fluoridation
http://www.appgaf.org.uk/

It's like arguing with a particularly stupid brick wall, only slightly more amusing because this wall can talk back.

So your point about mind control rests of experimental izan science that was up to date over 60 years ago?

Gotcha. Strong point!

I give up on you... enjoy your life full of fear. Perhaps you should learn to be scared of terrorism too, that way you can support illogical wars as well as illogical conspiracy theories.

You have proven yourself time and again to have absolutely no understanding of chemistry. You tell people that there is Fluoride in Prozac when there's not, there is only Fluorine in the Prozac molecule. (yes, I know the difference between an isolated element and a compound - as should anyone that's done compulsary-level science in the UK, it's really not difficult). Again, you could use the same logic as you are currently using to argue that all salt is poisonous... yet you don't seem to find this relevant.

If you're not interested in convincing me, why do you reply to every post?

Science is about scepticism, not blindly believing every crackpot that writes their "truth" on the internet.

You need to learn to think for yourself rather than just regurgitating whatever sensationalist garbage you read on the internet.

"But they paid for webhosting... it must be true!"

The existance of organisations that agree with you does not prove your point. There are also organisations out there that believe the earth is flat, that believe lizards control the world and that believe a man died on a cross for all our sins - just because they say it, it doesn't mean it's true.

I dread to think what you'll be convinced to believe one day....

all i have to tell you is i find your sig the best ever, please keep it there and for full effect please add the following paragraph too, don't serve a sandwich with just one slice of bread

told ya you're messed in the head... if you ever take that sig out you would be like taking off your balls!

Agreed. The sig is the best thing about this thread. I've never had anyone fall for that bait before...

alien pimp wrote:if you ever take that sig out you would be like taking off your balls!

Is this some sort of abstract modern-art sentence or are you actually trying to communicate with an English speaker?

alien pimp wrote:
ADA sucks donkey balls because the list is made only of organisations from the 4 states that use fluoridation (i think australia does too, but they are not on the list either), the only two international orgs are the last two and the claim that WHO endorses their paper is a lie, here's the actual WHO position on it:
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/11/21/21066.aspx

Oh ok, I see how it is. Links you post must be correct, links I post must be part of the system.