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Out of interest, how does Panspermia cope with life found in the deep ocean - for instance, life found around the extremely hot sulfurous vents on the seabed? There seems to be some confusion in the scientific community that some of these lifeforms aren't related to other life on Earth - that they've evolved in unique conditions and appear and become extinct all the time - doesn't that point to an Earth-bound development of at least some life?

I don't remember the Horizon being quite so ambiguous, Parson - but you've watched it more recently than me (I've got every Horizon on my HDD, might give it another look). Wasn't it a matter of getting experts in simple earth lifeforms rather than experts on astronomy that cracked it in the end? I'm simplifying the debate, obviously:

Astronomer - Well, this looks like nothing I've ever seen. It must be alien!
Biologist - Nah, this is algae mate, I look at it every day.

I thought Panspermia was a very attractive theory, but I'm not convinced how reliable it is without an awful lot more information than is currently available. Inconclusive at best.... that's not enough to convince me [yet]. Interestingly, Kerala also has a history of raining fish as well - the same area affected by the "Red Rain" has had a few other showers of random bits and pieces scooped up from a local lake apparently.

Loving the theories on this thread, doesn't mean I have to believe them tho.

re the Alien threat, wasn't the theory that there will be a staged alien invasion to co-incide with the Olympics in 2012 and we will be locked down in a one world govt from there on for our own safety? Can't remember where I read that.

parson wrote:and i'm talking about my theory about you being extremely dense.

classic!

there's a pattern already:

parson says shit
people ask a question
parson answers bullshit
people react to that
parson spends the next 5-20 posts describing people and their agenda and declaring things are so obvious they don't even need substantiated

dreamizm wrote:Loving the theories on this thread, doesn't mean I have to believe them tho.

re the Alien threat, wasn't the theory that there will be a staged alien invasion to co-incide with the Olympics in 2012 and we will be locked down in a one world govt from there on for our own safety? Can't remember where I read that.

wake up. we are already in transition to 1 world govt! The Lisbon treaty is gonna pull europe together. America (n&s) and Canada has the "amero" (sp?) on the way

doom soon come

hackman wrote:a disclosure will only happen if its inevitable anyway, i.e. aliens reveal themselves to us

people at the top want to keep us in the dark as long as possible, but it is going to happen soon

i really feel like this is a long term plan that is going to unfold anyway

magma wrote:Out of interest, how does Panspermia cope with life found in the deep ocean - for instance, life found around the extremely hot sulfurous vents on the seabed? There seems to be some confusion in the scientific community that some of these lifeforms aren't related to other life on Earth - that they've evolved in unique conditions and appear and become extinct all the time - doesn't that point to an Earth-bound development of at least some life?

I don't remember the Horizon being quite so ambiguous, Parson - but you've watched it more recently than me (I've got every Horizon on my HDD, might give it another look). Wasn't it a matter of getting experts in simple earth lifeforms rather than experts on astronomy that cracked it in the end? I'm simplifying the debate, obviously:

Astronomer - Well, this looks like nothing I've ever seen. It must be alien!
Biologist - Nah, this is algae mate, I look at it every day.

I thought Panspermia was a very attractive theory, but I'm not convinced how reliable it is without an awful lot more information than is currently available. Inconclusive at best.... that's not enough to convince me [yet]. Interestingly, Kerala also has a history of raining fish as well - the same area affected by the "Red Rain" has had a few other showers of random bits and pieces scooped up from a local lake apparently.

i am capable of discussing this in depth but i don't think it would sink in and i am really not into wasting my time. before i make any attempt, let me first ask:

a.) what do you think about telepathy. or mind powers in general?

b.) do you believe time travel is possible.

not that they have anything to do with anything, but they are a couple of things that modern science is catching up with all the time, that zealots of skepticism will never accept.

if you're a zealot. i can't do anything to help you.

parson, do you think dan burisch speaks truth or is a disinformant? im undecided, and unsure about some of his theories

parson wrote:a.) what do you think about telepathy. or mind powers in general?

I think that given the right technology and understanding of the human body we might one day be able to create a telepathic sense... it might exist in a very weak sense now, but I've not seen anything to convince me of that. I'd go along with the view of scientists like Aubrey de Grey who believe we'll one day be able to exchange knowledge bio-electronically and even back up our personalities.

I'd say I lean away from the idea of people being genuinely, effectively telepatic or telekinetic at the moment. Most demonstrations I've seen have been pretty dubious and Jon Ronson's book didn't help much. But we've got some senses buried from previous evolutionary rungs - it's possible to relearn your magnetic sense, especially if you're willing to use implants (see Quinn Norton - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=5477830 ), there's even supposedly residual magnetic sensitivity in the bridge of the nose. We have a lot buried, but I think we'd need technology or modification to make use of it.

b.) do you believe time travel is possible.

Entirely undecided. I've not seen anything that remotely convinces me of either way and I'm not intelligent enough to come up with a universal theory of everything in my bedroom. I'd love for it to be possible.

I'm sorry you're not willing to have a grown up conversation about it. I don't particularly want you to "help me", whatever that means, but I'd quite like to have a nice chat about interesting science, which is what you seemed to want. Carry on with the insults... sorry I spoke.

gwa wrote:parson, do you think dan burisch speaks truth or is a disinformant? im undecided, and unsure about some of his theories

i think he's full of shit.

where are you getting your timetravel info from?

so you dismiss the idea of the 'stargates' in the slipstream causing havoc?

well time travel is a a given, considering the technology that moves these craft around. they create their own gravitational fields that warps time and space. check out bob lazar. bob lazar gets a special thanks credit in the animated feature '9' btw

i'm not sure what you specifically mean about stargates in the slipstream. is that dan burisch nonsense? quit listening to that toolbag.

if i ventured in the slipstream
between the viaducts of your dream

magma wrote:Out of interest, how does Panspermia cope with life found in the deep ocean - for instance, life found around the extremely hot sulfurous vents on the seabed? There seems to be some confusion in the scientific community that some of these lifeforms aren't related to other life on Earth - that they've evolved in unique conditions and appear and become extinct all the time - doesn't that point to an Earth-bound development of at least some life?

there's a couple things here.
panspermia does not say that all life evolved here or that all life evolved elsewhere. it's a constant process. stuff gets seeded, and more stuff can come along after life's been evolving for a long time. they aren't mutually exclusive processes.
secondly, the official story is stuck on this idea that life is this amazing coincidence. that's retarded. life is an inevitibility. if something is livable, there's life there. just because we can't live somewhere doesn't mean that something living there must have evolved in outer space. evolution kinda happens spontaneously. they call it puncutated equilibrium.
consider this: they put lactose intolerant bacteria in milk. this is bacteria that is not physiologically capable of consuming lactose. when put into this environment, rather than dying, the bacteria spontaneously evolved. it changed its physiology so it could then eat milk. we've been taught that we're products of our dna. we inherit dna at conception and then are slaves to it for ever. this turns out to be very much wrong. Dean Ornish over at TED is saying this in the mainstream. Bruce Lipton is spelling it out a lot clearer in his lectures on youtube. DNA is reactive. it responds to environment. gene expression is dependent on input from cells, and depending on what's going on, different phenotypes are going to emerge. seriously check out bruce lipton.

I don't remember the Horizon being quite so ambiguous, Parson - but you've watched it more recently than me (I've got every Horizon on my HDD, might give it another look). Wasn't it a matter of getting experts in simple earth lifeforms rather than experts on astronomy that cracked it in the end? I'm simplifying the debate, obviously:

Astronomer - Well, this looks like nothing I've ever seen. It must be alien!
Biologist - Nah, this is algae mate, I look at it every day.

I thought Panspermia was a very attractive theory, but I'm not convinced how reliable it is without an awful lot more information than is currently available. Inconclusive at best.... that's not enough to convince me [yet]. Interestingly, Kerala also has a history of raining fish as well - the same area affected by the "Red Rain" has had a few other showers of random bits and pieces scooped up from a local lake apparently.

horizon is very even-handed in presentation. it does not make any decisions for the viewer. they let you go on believing what you want and show both sides of the story.
i watched the episode about persinger's god helmet last night. great episode.

yeah it is, he blats on about the time travel/dimension travel being in the same vein as the tv series stargate. he then goes on about p51s or p52s (cant remember, but they are 40K years in the future) coming back to tell us that the earth will enter the (correct me if im wrong) milky way slip stream / energy stream. the illuminati want to cause chaos and if you active these stargates during this slipstream it will cause natural disasters. thus everyone bowing to there knees....


when you say 'craft' do you mean the spinning circles? i thought they moved via undetectable sound frequencys?

he is a berk, his attitude is so arrogant. just interesting ideas.

gwa wrote:yeah it is, he blats on about the time travel/dimension travel being in the same vein as the tv series stargate. he then goes on about p51s or p52s (cant remember, but they are 40K years in the future) coming back to tell us that the earth will enter the (correct me if im wrong) milky way slip stream / energy stream. the illuminati want to cause chaos and if you active these stargates during this slipstream it will cause natural disasters. thus everyone bowing to there knees....


when you say 'craft' do you mean the spinning circles? i thought they moved via undetectable sound frequencys?

his whole model smells suspiciously like the coke/pepsi, republican/democrat, type of dichotomy. and that kind of binary presentation of good/evil stinks to high heaven.

when i say craft i mean like the shit they recovered from roswell. the shit they reverse engineered and have their own.

yeah i understand. i've forgotton the name of the vessle, HMS something. was pretty funny to hear that guy hacked nasa and read that someone successfully transfered from one craft to another.

i have fuck all infomation on that, and the subject in general. hook me up

i don't know of any reliable sources for that. everybody involved is probably dead now.

the montauk shit is about the recovered roswell craft though. they took the chair out and it works like in Neon Genesis Evangelion, where it interfaces with gifted psychics minds. wilcock says only the first book is accurate though. he's got a number of insiders from different ares with corresponding stories. dan burisch knows enough to convince wilcock.

one world government sounds like a pretty good idea actually.