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magma wrote:

hasezwei wrote:so if that's what this man brought us, design over functionality, then sorry but fuck him.

He was also the first man to sell a home computer with a GUI and the first person to bring the mouse into the home/office, if that wasn't world changing, I don't know what was. I give him props for his business acumen in the 90s and 00s, but in the early 80s he was a genuinely visionary nerd.

He didn't invent the GUI or the mouse. He re-branded/packaged them. People go on like he was some massively important inventor/designer but it's just not true.

Just after his death, NY Mayor Michael Bloomberg compared Jobs to Einstein and Edison. LOL.
Yes, a clever man died. No, we did not lose the 21st century's Edison. Lightbulb vs. silly-shaped USB mouse. Hmmmmm.
Be upset (or pretend to be upset) all you want but don't make out like Jobs has advanced human evolution. If anything he's responsible for dumbing people down.

Dunno if anyone's mentioned this yet, but Bill Gates is in the top 10 philanthropists of the world. Jobs and Apple wouldn't even have got this far if it wasn't for Microsoft bailing them out. I honestly think Gates will be more of a loss for us. RIP still, just lets not lose our sense of perspective, e.g Jobs vs. Edison.

£10 Bag wrote:

magma wrote:

hasezwei wrote:so if that's what this man brought us, design over functionality, then sorry but fuck him.

He was also the first man to sell a home computer with a GUI and the first person to bring the mouse into the home/office, if that wasn't world changing, I don't know what was. I give him props for his business acumen in the 90s and 00s, but in the early 80s he was a genuinely visionary nerd.

He didn't invent the GUI or the mouse. He re-branded/packaged them. People go on like he was some massively important inventor/designer but it's just not true.

Just after his death, NY Mayor Michael Bloomberg compared Jobs to Einstein and Edison. LOL.
Yes, a clever man died. No, we did not lose the 21st century's Edison. Lightbulb vs. silly-shaped USB mouse. Hmmmmm.
Be upset (or pretend to be upset) all you want but don't make out like Jobs has advanced human evolution. If anything he's responsible for dumbing people down.

Dunno if anyone's mentioned this yet, but Bill Gates is in the top 10 philanthropists of the world. Jobs and Apple wouldn't even have got this far if it wasn't for Microsoft bailing them out. I honestly think Gates will be more of a loss for us. RIP still, just lets not lose our sense of perspective, e.g Jobs vs. Edison.

Well yeah, the point of a CEO at a tech firm isn't to come up with entirely new technical innovations, it's to spot before anyone else that a particular technical innovation in the right way at the right moment could be massive. And that's not as easy as saying "oh yeah, we'll make it shiny, charge loads of money for it and spend a lot on advertising."

My friend tweeted this seconds after the news came out:

"@veryimportant: Of course Steve Jobs died. All the jobs in America are dying."

slothrop wrote:Well yeah, the point of a CEO at a tech firm isn't to come up with entirely new technical innovations, it's to spot before anyone else that a particular technical innovation in the right way at the right moment could be massive. And that's not as easy as saying "oh yeah, we'll make it shiny, charge loads of money for it and spend a lot on advertising."

this pretty much nail on head.

Steve Jobs had a profound effect over functional minimalism being a major theme in the 21st century.

Also, this may not be the case in europe, but in the US in the mid 90's you learned every bit of your early computing (post oregon trail) on a mac. Mac's were given for free and sold very cheaply to schools in a time when pcs were unreliable and functional fucking disasters (cough 3.1). I don't know one person over the age of 25 that didn't have a profound experience on the mac in regards to their education.

Perhaps that's it... Macs for many years were uniquely american and maybe we have more of a tie to the brand.

Yeah, but its not like the macs we used in 1997 didnt suck dick too

borrowed wrote:Yeah, but its not like the macs we used in 1997 didnt suck dick too

tr00f. fuck did i ever hate this

pkay wrote:Steve Jobs had a profound effect over functional minimalism being a major theme in the 21st century.

Also, this may not be the case in europe, but in the US in the mid 90's you learned every bit of your early computing (post oregon trail) on a mac. Mac's were given for free and sold very cheaply to schools in a time when pcs were unreliable and functional fucking disasters (cough 3.1). I don't know one person over the age of 25 that didn't have a profound experience on the mac in regards to their education.

Perhaps that's it... Macs for many years were uniquely american and maybe we have more of a tie to the brand.

Well I'm just under 25 and I had a profound experience with Macs in regard to my entertainment.

£10 Bag wrote:

magma wrote:

hasezwei wrote:so if that's what this man brought us, design over functionality, then sorry but fuck him.

He was also the first man to sell a home computer with a GUI and the first person to bring the mouse into the home/office, if that wasn't world changing, I don't know what was. I give him props for his business acumen in the 90s and 00s, but in the early 80s he was a genuinely visionary nerd.

He didn't invent the GUI or the mouse. He re-branded/packaged them. People go on like he was some massively important inventor/designer but it's just not true.

Pretty sure I was very careful to not use the word invent here (and have already credited Xerox if you take the time to actually read my posts). He was a product design guy, not an inventer... not that product design isn't just as important. Computers were the preserve of committed geeks until product designers got hold of them and made them useable for everyone.

Jobs' great skill was to be able to marry up the technology of the day with a public demand that the public didn't even know it had. As with Bill Gates and Henry Ford, he had a ridiculous empathy with other people so much so that he could spot platforms before they'd happened yet - yeah, the home computer would've happened anyway, as would the digital music player (in fact, Creative got there well before Apple)... the point is nobody made them worth buying before Jobs. That's worthy of celebration... I don't see anyone in this thread saying he "invented" anything. Ive and Wozniak get far more props there.

(Also, I agree about Gates and have been a Microsoft mark for my entire life - they're who earn me my living - but I imagine that getting pancreatic cancer and dying at 56 somewhat scuppers your ability to be a great philanthropist - Gates essentially retired from Microsoft before starting all that)

kidshuffle wrote:

borrowed wrote:Yeah, but its not like the macs we used in 1997 didnt suck dick too

tr00f. fuck did i ever hate this

shitttttttt i could wreck a 1st gen imac.

I bought a stolen first gen Imac for $300 the summer of my 16th bday. By the next year I had bought my own car off of making rave flyers with Bryce 2 and Fractal Paint/Photoshop. Also made insane amounts of cash making .gifs for companies. Animating a logo back then would score you $100-$200.

Outside of those lame ass mice it came with those things were decent back in the day.

Got to page 4...

Stay classy, dsf

pkay wrote:Outside of those lame ass mice it came with those things were decent back in the day.

I was working Tech Support for AOL when the iMac was around... it definitely attracted a certain kind of user in this country.

magma wrote:

pkay wrote:Outside of those lame ass mice it came with those things were decent back in the day.

I was working Tech Support for AOL when the iMac was around... it definitely attracted a certain kind of user in this country.

I worked at Earthlink/Mindspring in 98 right after windows 98 came out and the big PC boom happened.

Fuck my life were people stupid... so i feel your pain there

Woman I work with is Mac crazy. She's got an old iMac and a fairly decent spec Mac Pro that I've bagsy'd off her, once I get my studio space tidied up a bit.

wub wrote:Woman I work with is Mac crazy. She's got an old iMac and a fairly decent spec Mac Pro that I've bagsy'd off her, once I get my studio space tidied up a bit.

David Camecon has recently blamed apple consumers for the lack of growth in the economy, urging them to pay off their debts they owe because of iAddiction.

hasezwei wrote:Lightbulb vs. silly-shaped USB mouse. Hmmmmm.

To be fair, Edison didn't quite invent the lightbulb either.

Just sayin'

Don't even know why we're arguing. The guy is dead.. let it rest.


p.s. apple sucks

Diadem wrote:

hasezwei wrote:Lightbulb vs. silly-shaped USB mouse. Hmmmmm.

To be fair, Edison didn't quite invent the lightbulb either.

Just sayin'

Indeed, but he did make the first one that was able to be mass produced, including the workflow for the factories and the electricity delivery to homes... Edison was an excellent scientist, but he was a much better product designer and businessman. If he hadn't realised that there was a shitload of money to be made by cabling up America and selling them electricity (and that the electric lightbulb was the way to convince everyone to jump on board), he may not have bothered.... he wasn't the inventor, just the first person to make it accessible to your Average Joe.

He did do his fair share of brilliant science though. Great man.

magma wrote:

Diadem wrote:

hasezwei wrote:Lightbulb vs. silly-shaped USB mouse. Hmmmmm.

To be fair, Edison didn't quite invent the lightbulb either.

Just sayin'

Indeed, but he did make the first one that was able to be mass produced, including the workflow for the factories and the electricity delivery to homes... Edison was an excellent scientist, but he was a much better product designer and businessman. If he hadn't realised that there was a shitload of money to be made by cabling up America and selling them electricity (and that the electric lightbulb was the way to convince everyone to jump on board), he may not have bothered.... he wasn't the inventor, just the first person to make it accessible to your Average Joe.

He did do his fair share of brilliant science though. Great man.

take out the word light bulb and electricity and almost sounds like you're talking about steve jobs