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Opinions are being confused with fact in here.

ketamine wrote:Attraction to, and sex with, a dolphin, for a human is not natural. It will never produce offspring.
Atrraction to, and sex with, same-sex person, for a human is not natural. It will never produce offspring.

I am not closed minded just because I don’t accept everything society throws at me.

You seem to assume the only "natural" actions for a species are those with practical gain... in which case making art/music is unnatural too, but we've been doing that since day one, as well as having sex with unfertile partners of different sex - hell, we didn't even understand when in the menstrual cycle women were fertile until relatively recently meaning that MOST of our sex was non-reproductive.

Dolphins intentionally have sex when they're not fertile too. They like fucking. Most "higher" animals have to like fucking. It's the only way of guaranteeing that they'll do it (see Pandas).

magma wrote:

ketamine wrote:Attraction to, and sex with, a dolphin, for a human is not natural. It will never produce offspring.
Atrraction to, and sex with, same-sex person, for a human is not natural. It will never produce offspring.

I am not closed minded just because I don’t accept everything society throws at me.

You seem to assume the only "natural" actions for a species are those with practical gain... in which case making art/music is unnatural too, but we've been doing that since day one, as well as having sex with unfertile partners of different sex - hell, we didn't even understand when in the menstrual cycle women were fertile until relatively recently meaning that MOST of our sex was non-reproductive.

Dolphins intentionally have sex when they're not fertile too. They like fucking. Most "higher" animals have to like fucking. It's the only way of guaranteeing that they'll do it (see Pandas).

Panda's can just fuck off tbh, stupid lazy animals, it's like they actually want to go extinct

If it can happen in nature, it's natural. Two girls fingerbanging can happen in nature, thereofre it's natural.

hasezwei wrote:

Genevieve wrote:This goes further than just homosexuality. Same with pedophilia. A grown up person isn't going to concsciously decide to be attracted to toddlers. There is NO pay-off to it.

thing is pedophilia shouldnt be legal anyway cause it pretty much equals rape.
i dont like it when pedophilia and homosexuality are compared to each other, its entirely different.

Who's talking about legality? They're both sexual attractions. Someone fucks kids because they're sexually attracted to them. Some dude's who's into blonds fucks them 'cause he's sexually attracted to them.

It's not different. The only difference is that a child can't consent but a grown up can, therefore it shouldn't be legal when it's a grown up fucking a kid. I'm not even comparing homosexuality specifically to pedophilia, but all sexuality. Including chubby chasers or someone who prefers brunettes over blondes.

I don't even fault pedophiles for having their urges. I fault them when they give in to their urges. But being attracted to kids, knowing that it's wrong and how society would look on them.. dunno man. That's pretty sad and deserving of some sympathy.

collige wrote:

scspkr99 wrote: This doesn't make any sense, paedophilia is the same as heterosexual attraction if so. Which makes your point slightly less unpalatable if no less wrong.

What's so nonsensical about it?

We don't send people to prison for wanting to have sex with children. Wanting to fuck whatever isn't a crime.

Absolutely, but I have a strong feeling that quite a number of people think we should.

What is different between the assertion that paedophillia is like homosexuality and paedophillia is like heterosexuality? If you consider both statements true then I think you're wrong but less wrong than you would be if you considered only the first to be true.

There's an inference to draw if you only consider the first to be true that you consider homosexuality to be wrong or unnatural. I don't consider that sensible.

I disagree with Genevive because just as rape isn't often about sex paedophilia or acts that would be considered such aren't necessarily about sex or sexual attraction.

Electric_Head wrote:Opinions are being confused with fact in here.

WELCOME TO THE SECRET NINJA HIDEOUT.

I've known many gay people throughout my life, and none of them considered their sexuality a choice. I will go ahead and take their word for it over a couple of people who are likely gay but choose not to admit it.

scspkr99 wrote:

collige wrote:

scspkr99 wrote: This doesn't make any sense, paedophilia is the same as heterosexual attraction if so. Which makes your point slightly less unpalatable if no less wrong.

What's so nonsensical about it?

We don't send people to prison for wanting to have sex with children. Wanting to fuck whatever isn't a crime.

Absolutely, but I have a strong feeling that quite a number of people think we should.

What is different between the assertion that paedophillia is like homosexuality and paedophillia is like heterosexuality? If you consider both statements true then I think you're wrong but less wrong than you would be if you considered only the first to be true.

There's an inference to draw if you only consider the first to be true that you consider homosexuality to be wrong or unnatural. I don't consider that sensible.

I disagree with Genevive because just as rape isn't often about sex paedophilia or acts that would be considered such aren't necessarily about sex or sexual attraction.

Pedophilia is by definition about sexual attraction. As for the homosexuality comparison, Genevieve summed up my thoughts pretty well.

collige wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:

collige wrote:

scspkr99 wrote: Pedophilia is by definition about sexual attraction. As for the homosexuality comparison, Genevieve summed up my thoughts pretty well.

then you consider paedophilia has the same reference to heterosexuality that it does homosexuality in that it is a sexual attraction.

In which case I think the argument is reductionist and thus way too simplistic. I also think it's a red herring to even introduce paedophilia into a discussion about homosexuality given just how loaded it is.

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nowaysj wrote:I've known many gay people throughout my life, and none of them considered their sexuality a choice. I will go ahead and take their word for it over a couple of people who are likely gay but choose not to admit it.

Agreed.

Also, any though of homosexuality not being "natural" because it doesn't produce offspring is ridiculous imo. Lots of animals engage in homosexuality. Storm over to them and tell them it's not natural. Masturbation doesn't produce offspring, but it seems to be a natural part of many animals repertoire. Disguising homophobia with illogical scientific reasoning imo

It's crazy that someone could tell another person that he or she choses to be what they are, when they have no idea about that person's life, thoughts/feelings or even the sexual orientation that they are running off at the mouth about

We can argue nature vs nurture all day, but to what end? Have some compassion and love for other humans and shit like this can hopefully not be an issue anymore

IMO

fractal wrote:Have some compassion and love for other humans and shit like this can hopefully not be an issue anymore

Go ahead and fuck your compassion, fairy

Does K choose to be an ignorant tnuc?
Is it natural to be an ignorant tnuc?

Soiree wrote:Does K choose to be an ignorant tnuc?
Is it natural to be an ignorant tnuc?

fractal wrote:Have some compassion and love for other humans and shit like this can hopefully not be an issue anymore

This thread reminds me of the evolution thread, and we all remember what happened to that /thread right?

You ruined it by posting inversions?

Soiree wrote:This thread reminds me of the evolution thread, and we all remember what happened to that /thread right?

It haphazardly morphed into something slightly better adapted for its purpose over the course of several thousand generations?

call in the mods ///thread!