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skwiggo wrote:
http://www.mnml.nl/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=75547 - free techno sample pack and bass tips by dub techno producer mattias fridell - this thread is a goldmine for both the sample pack and the advice he gives!

Anyone fancy reupping this elsewhere? d/l won't work from there.

Thanks!

If you scroll to the end of the thread there there's an alternate link

Naan Bread wrote:
Does anyone have any ideas on the stab sound that comes in around the 1.00 mark.

I'm getting detuned squares and white noise but there's something missing...

Still bothered by this...

ill have a listen later, got no audio at work.

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Naan Bread wrote:If you scroll to the end of the thread there there's an alternate link

Naan Bread wrote:
Does anyone have any ideas on the stab sound that comes in around the 1.00 mark.

I'm getting detuned squares and white noise but there's something missing...

Still bothered by this...

They seem detuned and in different scales. I don't know if this will work, but did you try automating some pitch shifting on the stabs? Plus I think I hear a highpass filter on those stabs, they sound punchy because of the transient but they're actually quite thin in my ears (I might be wrong though). Put a little -or not so little- distortion on it if you haven't, too.

Challenge for y'all...

anyone have any idea how to produce anything like the amazing metallic-sounding noises coming in from about 7:16?



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That seems easiest to do with a granulized drum sample and some delay. Play with grain size and delay. Obviously you have to find a sample with the right spectral content in it though.

as much as i love this thread, i can't seem to get techno right
not even about the arrangement or sounds, just how they sit together in the mix. i cant get my tracks (well, loops) to sound nearly as full and atmospheric as i want to.

Soundcloud

could someone with a good ear for this give me a few pointers? alternatively, if anyone wants parts of that loop i'll post em up simply cause i dont think i'll finish that track tbh

that sounds pretty good to me mr hase but for me i'd have the hat much more defined and a bit less wishy washy, brings some propulsion to the beat as well as making it less empty. IMO of course

hasezwei wrote:as much as i love this thread, i can't seem to get techno right
not even about the arrangement or sounds, just how they sit together in the mix. i cant get my tracks (well, loops) to sound nearly as full and atmospheric as i want to.

Soundcloud

could someone with a good ear for this give me a few pointers? alternatively, if anyone wants parts of that loop i'll post em up simply cause i dont think i'll finish that track tbh

Dont get what you mean really, if you want it more atmospheric, then add more atmoshpere? compress shit, make it be bursting at the seams and put it behind the track sidechained to the kick so you have some big atmos pulsing with the track? make the kick cavernous with a long release tail or some reverb. get some synths and just put it int he backround with bare reverb so its just some droning thing in the background.

skimpi wrote:

hasezwei wrote:as much as i love this thread, i can't seem to get techno right
not even about the arrangement or sounds, just how they sit together in the mix. i cant get my tracks (well, loops) to sound nearly as full and atmospheric as i want to.

Soundcloud

could someone with a good ear for this give me a few pointers? alternatively, if anyone wants parts of that loop i'll post em up simply cause i dont think i'll finish that track tbh

Dont get what you mean really, if you want it more atmospheric, then add more atmoshpere? compress shit, make it be bursting at the seams and put it behind the track sidechained to the kick so you have some big atmos pulsing with the track? make the kick cavernous with a long release tail or some reverb. get some synths and just put it int he backround with bare reverb so its just some droning thing in the background.

agreed so much - that loop is really cool but in the context of a finalized track you should put some atmospherics such as tape hiss and grit or found sounds or quieter percussion samples or vocals even in the background (like whispers or pitched down spoken words or sumthin i dunno lol). also stick the extra stuff low in the mix - it'll beef your track up but won't detract from the main percussion too much.

reverb is also a good thing try the reverb kick thing from this thread i posted earlier - http://www.mnml.nl/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=65500.

use compression and saturation to taste dependent if your wanting an overdriven banger or something a bit more subtle. parallel distortion on the master bus with a tape saturation plugin (even something free like ferric tds) works pretty well on thickening and gelling together house + techno mixes too IMO. people say 'don't put anything on the master bus' but fuck it - if your trying to get an intentionally less clean and more glued together sound you have to break these silly rules sometimes.

also what about using one reverb for the whole track as mix gel on a send and sending individual parts of your track to it to get an overall wash of reverb throughout?

hopefully you can make something out of this incoherent post loool.

twilitez wrote:That seems easiest to do with a granulized drum sample and some delay. Play with grain size and delay. Obviously you have to find a sample with the right spectral content in it though.

Cheers. Will mess about with that.

hasezwei wrote:Soundcloud
could someone with a good ear for this give me a few pointers? alternatively, if anyone wants parts of that loop i'll post em up simply cause i dont think i'll finish that track tbh

I will gladly take any noise in that loop + information on how to make those kind of sounds. I'm clueless in that regard and it's really holding me back...all my techno is sample / filter based: Soundcloud

Tenebriated wrote:

twilitez wrote:That seems easiest to do with a granulized drum sample and some delay. Play with grain size and delay. Obviously you have to find a sample with the right spectral content in it though.

Cheers. Will mess about with that.

hasezwei wrote:Soundcloud
could someone with a good ear for this give me a few pointers? alternatively, if anyone wants parts of that loop i'll post em up simply cause i dont think i'll finish that track tbh

I will gladly take any noise in that loop + information on how to make those kind of sounds. I'm clueless in that regard and it's really holding me back...all my techno is sample / filter based: Soundcloud

100% samples here
gonna upload dat shit later today

Man dala wrote:

skwiggo wrote:
http://www.mnml.nl/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=75547 - free techno sample pack and bass tips by dub techno producer mattias fridell - this thread is a goldmine for both the sample pack and the advice he gives!

Anyone fancy reupping this elsewhere? d/l won't work from there.

Thanks!

i second this notion

hasezwei wrote:

Man dala wrote:

skwiggo wrote:
http://www.mnml.nl/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=75547 - free techno sample pack and bass tips by dub techno producer mattias fridell - this thread is a goldmine for both the sample pack and the advice he gives!

Anyone fancy reupping this elsewhere? d/l won't work from there.

Thanks!

i second this notion

EDIT: direct link didnt work - http://www.subsekt.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=72 - first post of this thread has the new link to the sample pack!

thank you <3

Hey Guys,

I'm John. I run subsekt (The place with Mattias' samples) with a couple of friends & this is the first time that I've seen our site linked anywhere - so thats really cool

We've a wicked Techno orientated production forum there - amongst other stuff. I hope the mods dont mind me mentioning that?

I'm a regular lurker here, but seem to have missed this thread until tonight. One thing that might help in terms of nailing that kick / reverb / sub rumble thing, is a couple of the reverb presets in Live. I think they are called Kick Verb 1 and 2. They are in Reverb / Special as far as I know. I've read that Dettmann uses Ableton, so I'm sure he's had a look in there haha. Try them on a send. 100% wet. You might need some compression after it - Maybe light sidechaining. I usually try to get the decay of it right & just do some light SC for peace of mind.. But Mattias' technique is wicked. In fairness, you can actually do so much with just a single kick / reverb / bit of distortion & EQ. If you keep the decay short enough, you can get a nice groove going with the distortion.

When I'm sticking a delay on the kick & reverb: For quickness, I'll probably get a simple delay or filter delay on a single kick (or simple pattern) and get a preset that sounds good. Then I'll mono it, which stops it from bouncing L/R & makes it usable - Big change. Then Reverb etc.. etc..

Theres loads of ways of doing that low reverb kick. You can resample a 1 kick over 2 bars. Have the reverb as an insert - 50% Wet. Predelay to the max. Decay - 5 seconds. Resample that. Your audio file should have a Dry Kick at the start & the wet one at the end. Crop it. Throw it into simpler. EQ & compress. Mono.

Another Reverb setting that is used by Brendon Moeller / Echologist - is the Flangeverb - which is in Live again, in the Audio Effect Racks section / Reverb. He uses it on a send - 100% wet. He sends a bit of everything to it. http://soundcloud.com/brendonmoeller/

Our production section is called "The Hole". Theres a number of "subsekt sound design" threads in there. One covers Kicks. Might be useful to see some of the approaches?

http://www.subsekt.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=634

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I dont know what you Guys have seen on here in relation to "our genre's" tutorials on You Tube?

Check this Guys channel - Tony / Atabey - http://www.youtube.com/user/atabeylive

Hes a nice fella. His vids are a bit long, but he has lots of good ones about using delays / chords / noise. It's more Dub Techno in style - but theres a lot of that vibe coming into Techno with Sandwell District / Shifted etc..

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This might be of interest too - A friend has written a short article on D16's plugins & he talks a little about how he uses them in his tracks. He gets a nice sound from them & explains why with a couple of audio examples. His bassline is deadly.

http://blog.subsekt.com/2012/07/an-open ... er-to-d16/

One of the things that we've come to the conclusion on is that you need to use lots of different distortion / tube / bitcrusher / amp sims / tape plugs / to warm & fuck stuff up. Use them individually.. and use different plugins In order to get grit and avoid each element "sounding similar". Its no good running stuff thru' one Saturator or Overdrive.

Hope you don't mind me letting you know about all of this. I dont ever feel that I have anything to contribute here as I dont make DS - so it would be wicked if you found some of this helpful

Cheers,

J

I had got that sample pack over on mnml a while back. Hadn't seen your site though will definitely give it a look. Nice one on posting his response, I remember reading the section about the creation of the basses in that pack, interesting stuff it inspired me to create some of my own verby low ends. Cheers!

hasezwei wrote:as much as i love this thread, i can't seem to get techno right
not even about the arrangement or sounds, just how they sit together in the mix. i cant get my tracks (well, loops) to sound nearly as full and atmospheric as i want to.

Soundcloud

could someone with a good ear for this give me a few pointers? alternatively, if anyone wants parts of that loop i'll post em up simply cause i dont think i'll finish that track tbh

Although your drums could be a bit fatter, it sounds nice and good to use for an intro part. What would you like to change say after the first 16 bars, and why?

hasezwei wrote:as much as i love this thread, i can't seem to get techno right
not even about the arrangement or sounds, just how they sit together in the mix. i cant get my tracks (well, loops) to sound nearly as full and atmospheric as i want to.

Soundcloud

could someone with a good ear for this give me a few pointers? alternatively, if anyone wants parts of that loop i'll post em up simply cause i dont think i'll finish that track tbh

like it mate, how'd you get it so clean sounding?

I like the sound of that too.. I dont think it needs anything extra in terms of atmos. Listen to people like Tommy 4 Seven & his sound is pretty dry. You might be looking to achieve something else - but it sounds good as is man.

What else were ya thinking of?

A lot of stuff seems to have "an element" or "the hook" affected by reverb towards the end of the chain, and then there is an EQ that is subtly changed over the course of the track. A lot of techno seems so do fuck all when you scan through it / preview it, in terms of new elements being added in - but the freq & Q seems to be moving about. I think a lot of this has its roots in earlier techno, where it was used on drum loops. No risers or impact FX - just smooth transisitions - just like mixing a couple of records I suppose.

Try getting something & automating EQ as it happens. I dont think it's just a filter thing.