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mks wrote:Besides, I think we have already solved this issue previously:

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=247479

Lock the thread

No!
I'm Sparticus!

ninjadog wrote:If I gave two shits about your opinion and the opinion of the guy you linked I could use the internet to prove my point correct with facts as well, vinyl IS better for bass heavy music

It has nothing to do with opinion, you need to learn the difference. You have already said you didn't understand the article, this only shows that you don't have enough knowledge to discuss the subject. You might prefer the sound of vinyl but that doesn't make it have a better bass response no matter how much you like it. You might prefer the character of a VW Beetle over a Ferrari, but it wouldn't make it faster.

The facts are that you are hearing additional harmonics in a vinyl playback system. Vinyl noise, turntable rumble etc, the signal to noise ratio is just a lot worse on vinyl. Plus the dynamic range is far lower, resulting in less punch and impact in the transients.

To top this all off, if you were to record a warm analog performance to CD it would reproduce that soft fuzzy sound you're so fond of perfectly, and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. CD just plays back what the artist intended the music to sound like, with no colouration.

ninjadog wrote:and you never did answer my question a few posts back why digital is trying to emulate analogue.

I didn't answer it because it has nothing to do with the topic - as far as i'm aware no digital playback system tries to emulate an analog sound. Digital just reproduces the source material as accurately as possible.

When we're talking about production however, there are numerous plugins trying to get a warmer sound. This isn't really relevant to this discussion about different playback mediums, it has more to do with creative decisions in the production process.

Hircine wrote:

AxeD wrote:Flipping vinyls for a living. Just blew my own mind.

pete bubonic wrote:Wow, only took 2 pages for this to turn into the ever returning format wars thread. Some people enjoy the skill and application of different music formats. OMG.



Please, please, if you're going to do this argument again and again, PLEASE don't use scratching as an example of why people should use vinyl. It has never ever once sounded good on Dubstep and possibly most dance music above 120bpm.

Come on bruv

djbmc wrote:

pete bubonic wrote:Wow, only took 2 pages for this to turn into the ever returning format wars thread. Some people enjoy the skill and application of different music formats. OMG.



Please, please, if you're going to do this argument again and again, PLEASE don't use scratching as an example of why people should use vinyl. It has never ever once sounded good on Dubstep and possibly most dance music above 120bpm.

Come on bruv

Eh? Only scratching there was the intro to rush the dj, otherwise, he was just djing. Even then it was the worst part of that mix. Killed the flow.

Weird he does baby scratches on almost every cue up.
Pretty much the thing OP was talking about, but he lets you hear it too

AxeD wrote:Weird he does baby scratches on almost every cue up.
Pretty much the thing OP was talking about, but he lets you hear it too

Yeah, personally I don't count cueing up a record as scratching, but if that sounds good to some people, fair dos.

pete bubonic wrote:

AxeD wrote:Weird he does baby scratches on almost every cue up.
Pretty much the thing OP was talking about, but he lets you hear it too

Yeah, personally I don't count cueing up a record as scratching, but if that sounds good to some people, fair dos.

Agreed. Coincidentally, my cat is scratching right now.

so 3:39, he's not scratching no?

djbmc wrote:so 3:39, he's not scratching no?

Read my response again.

LOL my bad, i don't agree with you that it was the worst part of the set tho.

djbmc wrote:LOL my bad, i don't agree with you that it was the worst part of the set tho.

Fair dos

VirtualMark wrote:

ninjadog wrote:If I gave two shits about your opinion and the opinion of the guy you linked I could use the internet to prove my point correct with facts as well, vinyl IS better for bass heavy music

It has nothing to do with opinion, you need to learn the difference. You have already said you didn't understand the article, this only shows that you don't have enough knowledge to discuss the subject. You might prefer the sound of vinyl but that doesn't make it have a better bass response no matter how much you like it. You might prefer the character of a VW Beetle over a Ferrari, but it wouldn't make it faster.

The facts are that you are hearing additional harmonics in a vinyl playback system. Vinyl noise, turntable rumble etc, the signal to noise ratio is just a lot worse on vinyl. Plus the dynamic range is far lower, resulting in less punch and impact in the transients.

To top this all off, if you were to record a warm analog performance to CD it would reproduce that soft fuzzy sound you're so fond of perfectly, and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. CD just plays back what the artist intended the music to sound like, with no colouration.

ninjadog wrote:and you never did answer my question a few posts back why digital is trying to emulate analogue.

I didn't answer it because it has nothing to do with the topic - as far as i'm aware no digital playback system tries to emulate an analog sound. Digital just reproduces the source material as accurately as possible.

When we're talking about production however, there are numerous plugins trying to get a warmer sound. This isn't really relevant to this discussion about different playback mediums, it has more to do with creative decisions in the production process.

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php ... hs_(Vinyl)