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jrkhnds wrote:do you say that because Indian Stomp, War Dub, Anti War Dub (<<lol), Money Honey and Backward were included in the soundtrack?

lol no but its cool they used those tunes. and a little snippet of aphex's bucelphalus bouncing ball as well if i remember correctly

ezza wrote:30-40s


i just google black and white movies and these were the famous ones... all the trailers explain what i mean

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there like cliche over the top shit acting. even the voice they all put on

m8 thats just what life looked and sounded like back then

can we include the LotR trilogy as one as that was one of the best bit of film making in ages especially after getting the blu ray extended boxset.

cyclopian wrote:

ezza wrote:30-40s


i just google black and white movies and these were the famous ones... all the trailers explain what i mean

[+] Spoiler

there like cliche over the top shit acting. even the voice they all put on

m8 thats just what life looked and sounded like back then

In all honesty, I don't know how they did that 50's male voice. You cannot fake that shit.

wysockisauce wrote:Check it.

A bit topical.

Probably all the lead paint tbh

I'm with jerkins on Melancholia, if only for it's weird vibe & non-avoidance of a definitive end.
Lloyd for Under the Skin for it's strange feminist vision, beautiful visuals (wind twirling lakeside mist) & her acting
& rev 4 Sharkanado with it's B Moviedom slapstick & laughs.
(e.g shark falls on dad and swallows him. sound of chainsaw. dad emerges covered in gore)

my best two:
This Must be the Place for Sean Penn's channelling Robert Smith and the A Movie laughs. Fun.
Boyhood for it's brilliant depiction of now and (hopefully) bits of forever. Abloodymazing.

ezza wrote:all the ones ive seen are well shit acting and kinda theatrical

its like as a whole people just hadnt worked out how to make believable real life films in those eras

Try 12 Angry Men. People who generally don't like older films find that one can be a gateway film

ezza wrote:
i mean i dont really like shit films either tho. i like a lot of films that are considered 'good' but i just dont get the un-realistic play-like, black and white, theatrical, mono acting ones

seems like bare effort to try as well. probably save me a lot of time just excepting i dont like them

I think the film that really got me convinced, that old movies can stand up to newer ones, were "12 Angry Men". It doesn't try to be something it's not, or convey a message it doesn't hold. 12 men in one room for a couple of hours, and I was on edges until the end... A great story and proper acting can always match big budget effect and production quality, in terms of bringing emotions to the screen. "The Hustler" is another of these films.

Since then I have seen many old movies that tell a lot of tales about later movies, especially the early sci-fi stuff e.g. "The Day The Earth Stood Still" & Forbidden Planet" are great examples, and later sci-fi owes A LOT to these movies (and many sci-fi flicks also reference them more or less openly). Or for later stuff in color, check out Badlands or Dog Day Afternoon (neither are sci-fi though).

How do you think filmmaking got to the the point where it are now? everything is built on what came before - I am currently trying to get into silent movies of the 1920'es (like Faust, Metropolis and Chaplin stuff), and it can really also be engaging, but the codes of understanding the acting are obviously different.

Metropolis is incredible. one of the most impressive movies I've ever seen - and I'm not very keen on old black & white films either.
by the way, if you're looking for stellar acting, go and watch Seven Samurai.

They might not have been realistic & were certainly theatrical because they were often stage plays brought to the screen,
but many Carry Grant b&w films are so cleverly written as to be more nuanced & sophisticated than today's romcoms.
And FUNNY without reliance on the infantile or imbecilic.
His leading ladies often make or break them according to their acting skills & engagement in the repartee.

noways, there still are many directors who do more nturally paced movies. Seriously, watch this: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/amour_2013/

warn wifey noways beforehand that this is a different kind of romcom


the best movies are really the ones who do not attempt to provoke some insane emotional responses, those kinda movies fall flat about an hour after youve watched them.

i find the best stuff to usually be that which is almost simply descriptive and not that emotive. sounds boring, but i seriously love work that comes out of such an approach, because the issues that such movies deal with are still those filled with emotional repercussions just watch Amour, or Le Fils

Is this now an old movie thread ?





As for the 2 greatest of the last decade, obviously there's no definite answer. I was actually quite shocked when I looked through my dvd library by how many great movies had been made during the 00's, probably because they came with a huge pile of Hollywood bullshit.




Are 2 of my faves

others worth praise:

Gravity whatever its faults, has the best ending...underwater, like a re-evolution
Letters from Iwo Jima...needed to be made just to honour the suffering
Downfall...probably as close as we'll ever get to Hitler's (un)reality
Toy Story series...transcendence of cartoon form to make me not just laugh but cry
United 93...you know the story, you know the ending, but this film is absolutely riveting
Lost in Translation...there's no need for translation nor to cringe about the relationship
Watchmen...fanatics probably won't agree but I reckon it got the tone spot on
Silver Linings Playbook...Jennifer Lawrence being gorgeous & the guy redeeming his acting cred
The Great Beauty...following the personable guy from Gomorrah as he wanders around high society Rome; fantastic ending floating down the Tiber under the old stone bridges.
Amour...wanna know why people advocate for euthanasia?
Sin City...style like no other

I still haven't seen United '93.

Downfall's a good shout..

nousd wrote:others worth praise:


Watchmen

turd

I don't get the discussion...

I would feel it was weird if agent had any other opinion.

There's however a point to be made the other way around, that after 1991 and terminator 2, film has taken a stroll on autopilot that has given room to video games and tv to an extent where they are almost preferable to film in general.

Hollywood wasn't exclusively shit just ten-15 years ago tbh..

There's still plenty of good and plenty of bad... I think it's probably always been like that.

Avoiding old movies seems about as sensible as avoiding old music. Unless you're watching popcorn fodder that you can passively veg-out to only letting the occasional "ooooh" slip out your mouth, the stories, relationships and dialogues in all ages of films are the main attraction. So what if 'Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf' is in Black & White? It's one of the best Stage to Screen adaptations of all time and Elizabeth Taylor & Richard Burton knock that shit out of the fucking park. If you don't connect to it, you're a broken human being.

It's like saying you won't listen to records from the 50s and 60s because of the fuzzy microphones.

Edit: I also challenge anyone to watch Dr Strangelove and still hold these kind of opinions about black and white movies.

Overall the quality is probably the same as it's always been, but British films are definitely worse

There's still plenty of good and plenty of bad... I think it's probably always been like that.

ofcourse but the cost efficience of cgi has taken a huge stroll and has put cinematographers that has played a huge part in film history out of their jobs.
So the field is simply compromised in that sence.

Avoiding old movies seems about as sensible as avoiding old music.

It's even less sensible in my book, because of that ^ but i would argue we can get a whole lot out of music becomming more about individual composers because of the introduction of computers at the level it has been happening at, in comparison. But tbh it's probably mostly just how producers tend to work in hollywood.