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HORSEFORCE wrote:

Genevieve wrote:
The 'Merican Midwest used to be a hotbed for breakcore back in the mid/late '90s, so I think that's what he's referring to (though Newcastle in Australia and several places in Germany, Belgium, France, the UK and Austria are up there as well). And I kinda agree with him on VSnares not counting. Nothing to do with him, but he's become a go-to guy for electronic music fans far outside the breakcore scene. It's like saying that '60s rock is doing well because the Rolling Stones had sold-out shows this century.

There's more than just 2 parties in Belgium, though (and I suppose you're referring to WOOD), 'cause 2 parties ain't nothing. I'm pretty sure there's at least 3 or 4 breakcore parties per month here in NL. I'm sure there's double that in Flanders.

Still the number of releases and heads actively participating in the scene has diminished, which sucks, because there's still lots of interest in it from music fans.

I'm gonna post a video interview I conducted with Alec Empire soon, he's touched on some original things relating to breakcore.

Alec Empire is awesome, one of the originators. Definitely hit me up when you have that interview. I'd post it on ihatebreakcore.com as well (im an admin on there.) I'm glad you agree with me on Vsnares. It's true that his music is breakcore (really good breakcore at that) but he's one of those artists who has gone beyond the boundries of the scene. He's one of those guys who is timeless and will probably keep making good hard shit until he dies, just cause that's what he does, scene or not.

I have no idea what the Belgium or NL scenes are like, but I do know that every big Breakcore artist/label that i have followed for the last 8 years (save vsnares) is releasing a whole lot less of what i would call even close to "breakcore." Most breakcore artists, including myself, have switched to more bass-heavy music, just because that's whats being innovative right now. I love breakcore and will always go to any rave that shows up, I'm mostly just pissed that the scene is dead in the US, and joking about it kinda makes me feel better. The hate i get from breakcore fans is always hilarious, cause most of the time, they are mad at me for switching to dubstep.

There's still good shit being released, though and the fans still love it. One of my favorite breakcore full lengths was released in 2008 (the Teknoist's '...Like A Hurricane Made Of Zombies'). If the musicians themselves would put more energy into releasing breakcore there would be nothing to worry about, I think.

Most bills I see for American breakcore shows is that they only feature breakcore, though. Most breakcore shows on this side of the Atlantic feature hard drum n bass, jungle, UK gabber, industrial hardcore and dubstep. Like, we're putting Broken Note on the bill along with Hellfish, Ladyscraper and Electric Kettle, for example and we had Limewax in February. I think that keeps breakcore shows a lot more fresh.

Check your inbox in a bit.

Check it! Interview and occasional chuckles; me.

Genevieve wrote:

Check it! Interview and occasional chuckles; me.

nice one! ATR's like the only bcore i still listen to regularly, xcept the occasional fix of enduser or drumcorps.
im kinda glad he didnt mention the ihatebreakcore.com incident, where he started talking to us bout it and we were all being dickheads i mean okay, his "only analogue gear can truly carry the power of breakcore (or something like that" attitude seemed elitist but he didn't mean it like that methinks...

after watching this i kinda want to start doing bcore again, thanks

hasezwei wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

Check it! Interview and occasional chuckles; me.

nice one! ATR's like the only bcore i still listen to regularly, xcept the occasional fix of enduser or drumcorps.
im kinda glad he didnt mention the ihatebreakcore.com incident, where he started talking to us bout it and we were all being dickheads i mean okay, his "only analogue gear can truly carry the power of breakcore (or something like that" attitude seemed elitist but he didn't mean it like that methinks...

after watching this i kinda want to start doing bcore again, thanks

Yeah, thing is, he didn't mention ANY of that in the interview. Like, this is a 10 minute edit of a 30 minute interview. Secondly, me and him talked a bit after it and he was actually really open minded about stuff and he said how much he enjoys the diversity in breakcore these days (which is definitely there).

He did come across as 'breakcore was like this to us back then and if you don't do it like this, you're wrong' in that interview posted at at ihatebreakcore, and I think he can see that, but he was basically talking about the origins of breakcore (the whole Bass Terror soundsystem deal) and that's the way things were done at the time. What he wasn't accounting for is that breakcore was really fucking young back in 1992 and it still had to grow like all music genres do. So yeah, the four-to-the-floor kick has become a staple in breakcore, computers have become the weapon of choice for drum programming (which became a lot more crazed-out since the early days of the genre) and mp3 filesharing and online networking became the cornerstones of the breakcore scene (and breakcore was probably the first music scene centered around the internet).

Am I the only one seeing parallels here with the way the original members of the dubstep scene react to newer dubstep?

Funny thing is, that interview was the reason I asked him if he had kept up with the breakcore scene. Still think people were unnecessarily offended by what he had to say. Dude's entitled to his opinion. I mean, shit, he's co-invented the style, of course he's gonna have views that differ strongly from ours. Our experience is totally different, and about 30 to 100 BPMs faster than his.

yeah im glad he didnt mention the ihatebreakcore thing, mostly cause it wouldnt have made much sense to people who dont know what went on. everything you're saying is right on the money. he IS one of the innovators of the genre, so it makes sense for him to have a more "true-school" approach to it. I feel the same way about dubstep as i do about breakcore: you gotta respect the innovators in the genre and the roots, but you also gotta embrace change. if you dont like where breakcore or dubstep is headed, dont fucking complain on a forum, make some tunes and change it for yourself. I got sick of hearing amen breaks and high pitched drum programming (breakcore circa 2000), so i started incorporating noisey, full range bassy hits to my sound. if you dont like wobbles, make music without wobbles.

I love breakcore, I really used to wish more breakcore guys did dubstep too, because its a great fusion.
I started mixing dubstep with core here in Montreal and more people than I would ever thought got down, but a lot still can't take the busted beats and noise.

Its a taste thing, but I find that core could make its bust into bass culture if it tried, and if its used correctly. A lot of people are pushed away from core purely because its filled with post apacalyptic psychos using rape and gore porn samples with 500 kicks a second haha, but obviously not all breakcore is hell bent on pain, and some of the most creative artists of the modern era have invested serious time into developing the sound.

WampaHatesMusic wrote:I love breakcore, I really used to wish more breakcore guys did dubstep too, because its a great fusion.
I started mixing dubstep with core here in Montreal and more people than I would ever thought got down, but a lot still can't take the busted beats and noise.

Its a taste thing, but I find that core could make its bust into bass culture if it tried, and if its used correctly. A lot of people are pushed away from core purely because its filled with post apacalyptic psychos using rape and gore porn samples with 500 kicks a second haha, but obviously not all breakcore is hell bent on pain, and some of the most creative artists of the modern era have invested serious time into developing the sound.

There's still a lot of breakcore being produced. However, as it is a small music scene and many of the big names made their breakcore production circle, the scene is left with only a few pioneers, making it look dead. To my ears, the best collage of breakcore and hard dnb with dubstep are those of eustachian and broken note.

I doubt breakcore will die, it just needs some time to adapt to the massive dubstep production circumstances and mix the dubstep influences alongside with the other breakcore elements into something new and refreshed, maintaining its breakcore vibe.

By the way, check a Live Set I did 4 months ago, and it is also DOWNLOADABLE for free, if u are interested. all tracks were produced by me (apart from britney spears' track which is hers)

http://soundcloud.com/infekkted/live-in-sin-city

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WHOA!!!

Last time I checked this topic, there was only like 2 pages! And Droon & Horsey, I didn't even know you guys were on this forum!

HORESY!! Last I heard from Brett, the main man behind Schizo, S5 is on hold indefinitely due to the legal battles that him and several others have had to face in light of what went down at S4. We [at Barcore] have been working with Brett for the last 3 years, and coordinating with him all the international acts that have been touring through the U.S. in the last few years. Unfortunately b/c of what went down at S4, it's made booking more things with him in the midwest, kind of hard. We've been in touch with other crews as well, but that all seems to be more DIY crews, hosting small events here n there.

And just to get to the topic, breakcore IS NOT DEAD!!! Just cause a bunch of people jumped ship, doesn't mean that the whole scene is gone! In fact, me and Jeff [Raxyor] were just in Europe playing all over and I must say, the scene is ALIVE and FUCKING KICKING!!! Granted, it might not be some 3,000 attendee party with an all breakcore line up, but EVERY show we played had at the VERY LEAST 200-300 people in attendance, if not MORE in some places!

And as far as the U.S. side of things go, WE ARE STILL HERE!!! We here at Barcore are ALWAYS pushing boundaries, crossing genres, PUSHING THE SOUND, AND we are looking to plan something quite BIG in '11, so keep dem eyes peeled!!! Not going to mention any specifics, but if we pull it off, I'm sure some peoples jaws will drop!!! TRUST!!!

Honestly, it's been a real exciting year, especially traveling through a lot of Europe and seeing where the "breakcore scene" is/going, because it's NOT DEAD! But like other types of "niche music", it's shifted gears and now there are a lot of different [most of the time] "unknown" players in the scene, who are NOT Vsnares, or Empire, or who ever the fuck is a "big name" in this scene. So in my opinion, it's become MORE for those who are REALLY into it and not for the wankass posers who said "Oh yah, I used to like breakcore when it was 'cool'". Fuck all the hype, and all the coat tail riders. Breakcore was never meant to be about trends or being only in one region or even one age demographic! THERE ARE NO LIMITS, NO RULES, AND NO STOPPING IT!!!

Is Abelcain still active? I know he did the Treachery thing with Slutmachine and Hecate, but is he still doing shows and writing at all?

Judging from his S3 set he's still sitting on some great unreleased tunes.

Dj scotch egg's Gameboy shit is pretty good. not really a big fan of others tho.

Genevieve wrote:Is Abelcain still active? I know he did the Treachery thing with Slutmachine and Hecate, but is he still doing shows and writing at all?

Judging from his S3 set he's still sitting on some great unreleased tunes.

If memory serves me correctly [cause it's mislead me sometimes! ;p], Marty [Abelcain] is still doing music, but is involved with other projects that are not solo production based. So I guess his solo stuff gets a bit delayed and/or never released, cause he is busy with other things. The last "solo" thing he released was under his Davros alias, versus Unibomber when they performer their "Final Amiga 500 Battle" live at Schizophrenia, which Noize:tek put out. It's a pretty sick set!

Here is the discogs link to the release:

http://www.discogs.com/Davros-vs-Unibom ... se/1453582

BARXCORE wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Is Abelcain still active? I know he did the Treachery thing with Slutmachine and Hecate, but is he still doing shows and writing at all?

Judging from his S3 set he's still sitting on some great unreleased tunes.

If memory serves me correctly [cause it's mislead me sometimes! ;p], Marty [Abelcain] is still doing music, but is involved with other projects that are not solo production based. So I guess his solo stuff gets a bit delayed and/or never released, cause he is busy with other things. The last "solo" thing he released was under his Davros alias, versus Unibomber when they performer their "Final Amiga 500 Battle" live at Schizophrenia, which Noize:tek put out. It's a pretty sick set!

Here is the discogs link to the release:

http://www.discogs.com/Davros-vs-Unibom ... se/1453582

Yeah, I should've specified that I meant straight up Abelcain material. Loved the Noizetek releases as Davros. I emailed the dude recently, wondering if he's interested in doing shows in Europe (since I'm a promoter here) and he hasn't responded and another promoter I know said he's likely quit seeing as breakcore is as good as dead in that department.

BARXCORE wrote:WHOA!!!

Last time I checked this topic, there was only like 2 pages! And Droon & Horsey, I didn't even know you guys were on this forum!

HORESY!! Last I heard from Brett, the main man behind Schizo, S5 is on hold indefinitely due to the legal battles that him and several others have had to face in light of what went down at S4. We [at Barcore] have been working with Brett for the last 3 years, and coordinating with him all the international acts that have been touring through the U.S. in the last few years. Unfortunately b/c of what went down at S4, it's made booking more things with him in the midwest, kind of hard. We've been in touch with other crews as well, but that all seems to be more DIY crews, hosting small events here n there.

And just to get to the topic, breakcore IS NOT DEAD!!! Just cause a bunch of people jumped ship, doesn't mean that the whole scene is gone! In fact, me and Jeff [Raxyor] were just in Europe playing all over and I must say, the scene is ALIVE and FUCKING KICKING!!! Granted, it might not be some 3,000 attendee party with an all breakcore line up, but EVERY show we played had at the VERY LEAST 200-300 people in attendance, if not MORE in some places!

And as far as the U.S. side of things go, WE ARE STILL HERE!!! We here at Barcore are ALWAYS pushing boundaries, crossing genres, PUSHING THE SOUND, AND we are looking to plan something quite BIG in '11, so keep dem eyes peeled!!! Not going to mention any specifics, but if we pull it off, I'm sure some peoples jaws will drop!!! TRUST!!!

Honestly, it's been a real exciting year, especially traveling through a lot of Europe and seeing where the "breakcore scene" is/going, because it's NOT DEAD! But like other types of "niche music", it's shifted gears and now there are a lot of different [most of the time] "unknown" players in the scene, who are NOT Vsnares, or Empire, or who ever the fuck is a "big name" in this scene. So in my opinion, it's become MORE for those who are REALLY into it and not for the wankass posers who said "Oh yah, I used to like breakcore when it was 'cool'". Fuck all the hype, and all the coat tail riders. Breakcore was never meant to be about trends or being only in one region or even one age demographic! THERE ARE NO LIMITS, NO RULES, AND NO STOPPING IT!!!

glad for the positivity, but im trying to write music in all different genres. im still down to play breakcore shows, but i get tired of sequencing drums for 16 hours straight. im trying to book a tour this summer and if you wanna book me in the nyc area, let me know i used to live there and have mad ppl i could stay with

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