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WolfCryOfficial wrote:

azuk wrote:
You don't need vocoders for growls, eq modulation is much more effective, or convolution.

Well of course you don't need them, but they add a touch, and of course there are many methods of design. I'm not stating theres a specific method. And of course, an7 vocoding done is heavily EQ'ed. When people say vocoder, they assume it means running the bands then poof, you have your dream sound.

You have to recreate the vocalization of the human voice when pronouncing a vowel. EQ's help you shape the waves in this form, and a vocoder, runs the bands of bass through the vowel movements. It makes for a more vowel sound.

Like that of Pegboard Nerd's remix of Alive - Krewella. That one vowely sounding growl. Was undoubtedly made with a vocoder (assuming so based on my knowledge.)

Spag Heddy, if you know him, also uses vocoding. I can prove that one, though.

R3b_Official wrote:All this talk of vocoders and i made a pretty vocal thing from a unusal massive patch, messing around with velocity for movement and some after fxs.

Sounds really muddy since theres no eqing or compressing just some creative phasers and chorus. Gets a nice transformer sound to it, if everyone not tired of that

Soundcloud

PhotonOfficial wrote:

R3b_Official wrote:All this talk of vocoders and i made a pretty vocal thing from a unusal massive patch, messing around with velocity for movement and some after fxs.

Sounds really muddy since theres no eqing or compressing just some creative phasers and chorus. Gets a nice transformer sound to it, if everyone not tired of that

Soundcloud

Holy shit, how did you make the second bass? The wobbly one?

R3b_Official wrote:

PhotonOfficial wrote:

R3b_Official wrote:All this talk of vocoders and i made a pretty vocal thing from a unusal massive patch, messing around with velocity for movement and some after fxs.

Sounds really muddy since theres no eqing or compressing just some creative phasers and chorus. Gets a nice transformer sound to it, if everyone not tired of that

Soundcloud

Holy shit, how did you make the second bass? The wobbly one?

Didnt think it was much. I used the same patch in the first secontion of the clip and bounced out the audio. Then i used this one fx vst thats great for glitchy effects(has phaser,chorus,delay,etc...) . Used this one fx that actually gave that ohhh ah aha ha sound. Add a couple more things in the vst, like flanger and chorus. After i put in apples reverb. Some how apple has its own au's for i guess garageband and it gives this wicked crazy metallic reverb to the sound. Way more metallic than abletons for sure but not as good for applying decent room/hall effect ahah

I just thought it was a wicked sound for only using two effects. Going to later bounce out the audio and add more stuff like automation and effects, and repeat it 5 or so times. Maybe get that datsik growl in Boom.

Goes to show you guys dont need a vocoder for vowel stuff.

One thing ive learned that plays in major part when sampling is phasers. If you automate them yourself and in a certain freq, you get some gnarly vocal effect. Harsh and solid feel to it.

Ill explain more in depth if more people ask about the sound as of now or when im done messing around with

azuk wrote:
Pegboard Nerds remix uses massive and FM8, no vocoding. The vocoding would have some resonances which it doens't

WolfCryOfficial wrote:

azuk wrote:
Pegboard Nerds remix uses massive and FM8, no vocoding. The vocoding would have some resonances which it doens't

I know you're entitled to your own opinion, but please show me proof before making a statement like so. Or at least relative example. I've studied this a lot and i got close to the sound PBN had by using vocoding and reese structuring.
The same goes with spag heddy, except i do have initial proof of that.

FM8 is great, but filtering leaves more tonal resonance behind than a vocoder.
Refer to my post about carriers.

If you have a good carrier, you could have minimal artifact leftovers. It's all dependent upon that. I'm not saying there is only one way to do it, but i'm saying its more logical and more natural sounding. Especially since the growl sounds like it was constructed via multi bands.

I'm not going to have an arguement with you. This is MY opinion, and you have yours. I just think that FM8 and no vocoding is a bit skeptical because FM8 leaves too much artifacts behind to be used raw, also its "talk wah" effect could never do something like that without drowning out every physical quality the sound itself had pre-distortion.

azuk wrote:

WolfCryOfficial wrote:

azuk wrote:
Pegboard Nerds remix uses massive and FM8, no vocoding. The vocoding would have some resonances which it doens't

I know you're entitled to your own opinion, but please show me proof before making a statement like so. Or at least relative example. I've studied this a lot and i got close to the sound PBN had by using vocoding and reese structuring.
The same goes with spag heddy, except i do have initial proof of that.

FM8 is great, but filtering leaves more tonal resonance behind than a vocoder.
Refer to my post about carriers.

If you have a good carrier, you could have minimal artifact leftovers. It's all dependent upon that. I'm not saying there is only one way to do it, but i'm saying its more logical and more natural sounding. Especially since the growl sounds like it was constructed via multi bands.

I'm not going to have an arguement with you. This is MY opinion, and you have yours. I just think that FM8 and no vocoding is a bit skeptical because FM8 leaves too much artifacts behind to be used raw, also its "talk wah" effect could never do something like that without drowning out every physical quality the sound itself had pre-distortion.

Yeah let me find the interview where they said they used Massive. I'm a bit confused as to why you think what PBN uses is an opinion.

You're not supposed to be filtering anything. EQing precisely.

I don't think using FM8 and/or Massive is good imo. I prefer Harmor and then using convolution. The secret to what I use is convolution. Not FM, not Massive, and not Vocoding,

azuk wrote:Proof of PBN using Massive/FM8/Massive

https://www.facebook.com/PegboardNerds/ ... 8994709336

http://gyazo.com/f47b0a664d22ab9f145704ab381c03da.png

Also mentioned here

http://www.reddit.com/r/Monstercat/comm ... _1_part_1/

azuk wrote:
Yeah let me find the interview where they said they used Massive. I'm a bit confused as to why you think what PBN uses is an opinion.

You're not supposed to be filtering anything. EQing precisely.

I don't think using FM8 and/or Massive is good imo. I prefer Harmor and then using convolution. The secret to what I use is convolution. Not FM, not Massive, and not Vocoding,

WolfCryOfficial wrote:

azuk wrote:
Yeah let me find the interview where they said they used Massive. I'm a bit confused as to why you think what PBN uses is an opinion.

You're not supposed to be filtering anything. EQing precisely.

I don't think using FM8 and/or Massive is good imo. I prefer Harmor and then using convolution. The secret to what I use is convolution. Not FM, not Massive, and not Vocoding,

They never released official information. They released general information. I can have an opinion about what they use, because they haven't ever given me a direct fact. If they come into my face and tell me they used FM8 to create the growl im specifically talking about in their specific song at the specific time, then yeah, i'll believe you. Otherwise you have no reason to claim your statement to be any more than an opinion.

Also do you realize EQing is filtering? A filter is an EQ, an EQ is a filter. You're filtering bands. Do you know what filter means? It means to "pass unwanted material."
I can do that using a standard EQ.

You may ask, what about when i put gain on the bands? Well instead of looking at it as putting gain, how about look at it as filtering out every other frequency besides that one.

If you raise 200 hz 5 gain, you didn't raise anything, you lowered every other band -5 db, and you compressed the volume to remain at a static state, thus leaving you with 5 gain on your 200 hz. Filtering is EQing.

We all have our secrets. AND opinions. I think they used a vocoder, fm8 and "eqing" (Since im not allowed to say filtering) leaves too many unwanted artifacts.

Devilsindub wrote:If you know your plugin and the way it operates than you can make any sound you desire aside from ducks quacking and shit.

azuk wrote: I prefer Harmor and then using convolution. The secret to what I use is convolution. Not FM, not Massive, and not Vocoding,

Add9 wrote:

Devilsindub wrote:If you know your plugin and the way it operates than you can make any sound you desire aside from ducks quacking and shit.

Big ups if someone can make a duck quacking sound using duckorgan in massive

R3b_Official wrote:

I totally agree with you dude, saying filtering is not good for a growl or any type of sound design is a bit far fetched... Eqing and filtering are both the same really. All bandpass,combs, double notch filters are eqs with specific gains and hz. Same thing goes with a flanger and chorus. There designed to boost certain peaks and modulate.

Have you ever got that whispy noise or sharp tone when you boost a frequency to high? A filter is supposed to emulate that in a controlled setting to give a certain effect.

Everything needs to be done with in reason and in small doses. Look at nosia? His reese and basses are so well controlled and filtered to a T. Thats what gets its vowel or twisting movement. Resampling and rebouncing clips and repeating the same process in small amounts. Doing this will not get you any bad artifacts or harmonics.

Also they also use vocoding in some way or another, many Dnb artist add samples from human speech or funky sounds to there basses or even just use that audio file and "filter" and distorte it till you get a nice reese.

All preferance really... there is no one good or bad way of doing something.

LogiSpark wrote:I made an orgasm by laying FM8, Harmor, Sawer, and Sakura.