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I saw a mint crust band called Kakistocracy in my mates living room once, that was pretty awesome

http://www.myspace.com/kakistocracymtnpunks

sorry bit off topic from emo like

^Kakistocracy are great!

I listened to 2 Orchid vinyl earlier. Orchid might be the most angry band ever.

real emo is stuff like Rites of Springs and Sunny Day Real Estate. not the garbage 3rd wave BS like chemical bromance, fall out boy, etc. some of the mid/late 90s 2nd wave stuff like get up kids is OK.

Surely the mighty Black Sabbath was the first "emo" band?

though alot of post-punk / emo from the 80s/early 90s gets mislabeled one or the other, not that its a huge deal.

Tomm wrote: You basically like Hipster rock.

Oh?

I thought hipster rock was bands like The Killers, Kings Of Leon, NIN, Faith No More, Nirvana and other pish like that???

I'm a bit confused with this rock thang.

Godflesh Fiend wrote:I'm a bit confused with this rock thang.

amen to that!

ok so i have done further listening to the peeps mentioned.

a lot of it sounds to me what i wud call "death metal" "grindcore" "speed metal" and the like. stuff like earache records, but more ruff and ready, without the satanic imagery, and without the huge solos. at the tempos most of the stuff gets a bit chaotic for me to distinguish certain elements of the tunes.

i think my fav of the stuff thats been mentioned and that ive managed to listen to, the japanese stuff is the stuff i most like.

out of curiosity, what do you class people like The Boredoms, Royal Trux and Trumans Water as nowdays? seeing as i would have classed The Melvins as grunge.

i still dont fully understand the "emo" aspect either, but that maybe that i find it hard to relate to the tempo of most of the tracks.

Back when I was into what I thought was "emo" for a minute... I liked Sunny Day Real Estate, Texas is the Reason (brilliant band!!!!), Promise Ring (this is where the pussiness of the genre started I think), Sense Field (early stuff), Guilt, and some other relatively unknown shit. I was coming at it from the hardcore scene, all my art school friends kinda got me into it. I pretty much gave it up once I started going to raves regularly though.

Don't know if these bands fit your definition of emo or not, but that is what people seemed to be labelling them.

DJ Whistla wrote:
a lot of it sounds to me what i wud call "death metal" "grindcore" "speed metal" and the like.

woah there there would be akin to saying Dubstep and Hard House are the same.

Capo Ultra wrote:

DJ Whistla wrote:
a lot of it sounds to me what i wud call "death metal" "grindcore" "speed metal" and the like.

woah there there would be akin to saying Dubstep and Hard House are the same.

thats just how i seem to hear it, harsh guitar distortion, hyper fast, shouting lyrics (sometimes thru a distortion box) was how i wud have described the aforementioned genres, and thats how i also hear this "hardcore" stuff thats been linked

not trying to diss or anything!

im trying to understand it and thats my understanding so far.

like i said its obv more ruff an ready, less solos etc...

tell me the diff so i know init

This is death metal

Speed metal

Grindcore and the Earache stuff is metal influenced grindcore (though grindcore has had a bigger influence on death metal than vica versa). But grindcore is a type of hardcore punk, basically. Observe

Telling apart genres is, I guess, a bit different in electronic music than rock based music... I suppose. It's more about the melodic approach and how the things fit together. In electronic music, it's different and approached more by, I guess, production techniques and tempo.

im think im getting there now with it all, quite confusing

DJ Whistla wrote:

Godflesh Fiend wrote:I'm a bit confused with this rock thang.

amen to that!

ok so i have done further listening to the peeps mentioned.

a lot of it sounds to me what i wud call "death metal" "grindcore" "speed metal" and the like. stuff like earache records, but more ruff and ready, without the satanic imagery, and without the huge solos. at the tempos most of the stuff gets a bit chaotic for me to distinguish certain elements of the tunes.

I guess that's the same as when I first heard Hard House, Trance, Hardcore, Rave and Breakbeat, thinking they sounded IDENTICLE and couldn't work out why anyone would say otherwise

the only thing these bands have in common with grind and stuff is the fact sometimes they go

DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUU

it's pretty much the complete opposite side of the more intense rock music.

Although like everything stuff moves in circles, and a lot of later Screamo (the more cheesy evolution of 90s emo) ended up having a Black Metal influence, although almost never Death Metal, which is great coz it's completely rubbish

DJ Whistla wrote:im think im getting there now with it all, quite confusing

PM me your address, the tape is half made, I had to get quite drunk to make it though, and I sat with all the inserts laid out

DJ Whistla wrote:i would have classed The Melvins as grunge.

PM me your address so I can come around and SLAP you in the chops.

Godflesh Fiend wrote:

DJ Whistla wrote:i would have classed The Melvins as grunge.

PM me your address so I can come around and SLAP you in the chops.

The Melvins are Emo-Hop-Core-Industrial-Disco-Metal with a little dash of Gabba & Opera.

People need to get their friggin genre facts straight!

Ben Freeman wrote:Texas is the Reason (brilliant band!!!!)

damn i forgot about them. shit i know i have one or two of their 7"s at home. i need to pull those out

DJ Whistla wrote: ok so what defines "hardcore" seeing as to me hardcore = hoovers, pianos, breakbeats and sub.

is it just punk? or whats the diff from punk? (except the obvious lack of mohicans)

hardcore came out of punk in the early 80's. it had a more aggressive and nihilistic approach than the uk punkrock of the late 70's. this is a good documentary about its early days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1ZnFT2qAJU

after the first hardcore wave lots of bands and people couldn't relate to all the violence at shows and within the scene anymore - you could interpret this as hardcore growing older. so besides teenage aggression there was adolescent melancholy mixed into the sound and the first "emo" band doing so was "rites of spring" in 1985.

in the early 90s the sound started getting more extreme: "emo" referred more to total despair than some sort of melancholity. people started screaming their vocals, the sound reflected this disruption of the individual around these times = "screamo".

the last "emo/screamo" band that totally blew me away was "orchid" - total mayhem back then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSdSInnE ... 2B&index=1

after that everything was over for me and today bands I've never heard of are labelled "emo" and are just some stupid lame metalcore-crap with a melodic refrain...

well, my 2 cents