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beatmatching or not, they're just tools. if you don't have something to say as a dj, don't play sets. if you do, make it count-- use all the skills to your benefit. match some, slam some... whatever works.

i'm sorry i have to post again in this thread.


are people actually entertaining the fact that maybe you don't need to beatmatch? i find this ridiculous. if you are a DJ YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BEATMATCH. i mean come on.

laptop djs always staring at their screens to beatmatch....use ya ears!

rawali wrote:I saw the bug once when he came to Montreal... he dropped some great tunes but no mixing at all... just retardedly loud effect and sirens all over the place for no particular reason...

not a performance I found to be interesting in any way (apart from the mcing)

Next time he came to I did not go to the show for this very reason...


beatmatching and somewhat blending tunes is part of what makes djing an acctual performance rather than selection... having tunes drop into eachother is what sets the pace of the whole show... if there is a break between each tune, it's not a dj SET anymore, it's just showing off tracks individually

I think if there's an MC then it's different.
Take the example of a reggae sound system gig...

everyone just chill theres a pitch bend led indicator on the ns7 that shows which side is playing faster so you dont even HAVE to use your ears anymore

SCIENCE!!!!!!!!

I have been djing for 15 years. Up until recently you had to beatmatch and beatmatch well if you wanted to play out. These days I am not as fussy over how tightly everything is mixed as long as you try and your selection is off the hook. I still cannot look at is logically about using ableton or traktor live. I still like manual beatmatching including hte human error. I have a few freinds that do it where they had dj'd with vinyl for years and no how to program etc but most of the people I see using those programs don't have a clue how to blend music together. I am seeing more and more where people just wake up one morning and decide they are going to be a dj and then are playing out 2 months later. It is bullshit. Back in the day you had to have knowledge of the game/music before you played out. Should still be that way imo.

That said I use Ableton sometimes for studio mixes, I am not 100% elitist prick but I dunno I just can't get into the auto-sync sets. There are exceptions for sure, just know your shit please.

abZ wrote:I just can't get into the auto-sync sets. There are exceptions for sure, just know your shit please.

thats why i want to go with serato - its the same old vinyl mixing apart from what you see on the screen, right?

i loved vinyl mainly because it was harder to mix then everything else. there is no key lock. there is no bpm counter. there is no quick cue point or something. the needle jumps if you are not gentle. so you cant jump on a dj'ing bandwagon and be perfectly good with vinyls right away. in fact you have to dj a lot to get good with em.

now to the bug topic. i've seen him live and it wasnt a dj'ing. live performance is what live performance is. he could've just put it all up synched and matched in ableton but he just does it his way. and i really enjoyed and liked that way of his. so please stop crying. have you seen a live band perform? do they beatmatch?

86. wrote:I remember reading this thread about The Bug and mad people were complaining about the lack of beatmatching...how they expect DJs to beatmatch perfectly, etc. etc.

To you, is that a real important part of DJing? there's obviously other shit to consider, like I could give a fuck less if homes is up there beatmatching garbage (at least to me) tunes flawlessly, the tunes don't move me, therefore fuckl the technical skills. If the tunes are brilliant but there's a lack of beatmatching, who really cares?

thoughts?

I also keep hearing/reading "skream DJs poorly" yet have never heard why...is it the beatmatching thing?

I get where your going with this, but I've heard some of the best tunes ever knocked to the dirt during a shitty mix. It kills the mood. Spinning to me is like telling a story (And having that story interrupted by a bull horn directly in your ear). You are showing the crowd your view of how you see and think about the music you are playing. I don't like being able to tell a new track is getting ready to be cut due to a rolling or mismatched beat, it ruins the surprise of whats gonna happen next....and to me there's nothing worse during a live set.

86. wrote:I remember reading this thread about The Bug and mad people were complaining about the lack of beatmatching...how they expect DJs to beatmatch perfectly, etc. etc.

To you, is that a real important part of DJing? there's obviously other shit to consider, like I could give a fuck less if homes is up there beatmatching garbage (at least to me) tunes flawlessly, the tunes don't move me, therefore fuckl the technical skills. If the tunes are brilliant but there's a lack of beatmatching, who really cares?

thoughts?

I also keep hearing/reading "skream DJs poorly" yet have never heard why...is it the beatmatching thing?

You got to have some kind of standards when you have paying customers who are coming normally to see the DJ. It is a show so the DJ has to have some skills that shows he has put in the time to learn how to mix. Beat matching is the easy part of playing records. You can learn to do it good in years. Tight that is! there is a lot more to it tho when it comes to playing out. You need to get a set sorted, the flow and vibe is crucial. Sadly this is often looked over by many DJs and I put it down to either lack of experience or lack of exposure to impressive artists.

Skream gets slated because his mixing is sloppy. He often crashes and has his fingers n thumbs all over the records. I am a nightmare for getting drunk when I have been booked so cannot say much tbh:) I do feel a right tnuc tho if I take money from a promoter when I know I was totally smashed and not at my best.

if you cant beatmatch, you have no business djing..

jsilver wrote:if you cant beatmatch, you have no business djing..

ot kinda but what pisses me off more is if you're a DJ, you shouldn't be putting out garbage music just because you're a respected DJ in a scene and you've played with reason for a week. People who produce and can't DJ should be happy with that or TAKE THE TIME to learn the skills needed and DJ's who can't produce music should TAKE THE TIME to learn how to make music. </rant>

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

jsilver wrote:if you cant beatmatch, you have no business djing..

ot kinda but what pisses me off more is if you're a DJ, you shouldn't be putting out garbage music just because you're a respected DJ in a scene and you've played with reason for a week. People who produce and can't DJ should be happy with that or TAKE THE TIME to learn the skills needed and DJ's who can't produce music should TAKE THE TIME to learn how to make music. </rant>

Can not think of many people who producer music but are better at DJ really. It is always the other way around. Talented producers who can not put together a good set for shit.

serox wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

jsilver wrote:if you cant beatmatch, you have no business djing..

ot kinda but what pisses me off more is if you're a DJ, you shouldn't be putting out garbage music just because you're a respected DJ in a scene and you've played with reason for a week. People who produce and can't DJ should be happy with that or TAKE THE TIME to learn the skills needed and DJ's who can't produce music should TAKE THE TIME to learn how to make music. </rant>

Can not think of many people who producer music but are better at DJ really. It is always the other way around. Talented producers who can not put together a good set for shit.

Well I'm not gonna shout anyone out but I know of a few DJs in dubstep who have made the most generic, lowest common denominator unoriginal midrange crap probably because they must of felt they had to release a tune instead of taking the time to learn how to make a quality tune.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
Well I'm not gonna shout anyone out but I know of a few DJs in dubstep who have made the most generic, lowest common denominator unoriginal midrange crap probably because they must of felt they had to release a tune instead of taking the time to learn how to make a quality tune.

and they were popular more as a DJ before they started producing?

serox wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
Well I'm not gonna shout anyone out but I know of a few DJs in dubstep who have made the most generic, lowest common denominator unoriginal midrange crap probably because they must of felt they had to release a tune instead of taking the time to learn how to make a quality tune.

and they were popular more as a DJ before they started producing?

they were known in the scene for being a DJ, yes

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
they were known in the scene for being a DJ, yes

I can not think of any Dubstep DJs who I would call good at mixing and not producing. It is a wide genre now days tho and I dont pay attention to 90% of it.

serox wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
they were known in the scene for being a DJ, yes

I can not think of any Dubstep DJs who I would call good at mixing and not producing. It is a wide genre now days tho and I dont pay attention to 90% of it.

Tommy Lexxus.

Brisance wrote:

serox wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:
they were known in the scene for being a DJ, yes

I can not think of any Dubstep DJs who I would call good at mixing and not producing. It is a wide genre now days tho and I dont pay attention to 90% of it.

Tommy Lexxus.

Who?!

Brisance wrote:http://www.myspace.com/lexxus

Never heard of him. He is not really that successful as a pro DJ imo.