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hurlingdervish wrote:i cant call him a puppet cause thats misinformed .

you gotta back this up with some info that proves he has his own will that at least occasionally prevails over the big capital's interests

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:i cant call him a puppet cause thats misinformed .

you gotta back this up with some info that proves he has his own will that at least occasionally prevails over the big capital's interests

no actually i dont, its the accusation that needs proof

there are so many real reasons why hes getting stuck in his efforts before you can go and accuse him of being some sort of tool for a hidden power

hes not being controlled by anything other than being conscious of a thousand factors that could fuck him sideways if he says or does anything too radical....the worse of the consequences is being assassinated. its a sad state of affairs that everytime he proposes something, he ends up compromising, but then the people who he compromised with STILL aren't satsified!

hurlingdervish wrote:if rush limbaugh told a congressman to kill obama, he probably would, its scary how much power that guy has over republican popular opinion. and they say the congress is "democrat controlled" but its actually more controlled by republicans because of the their constant whining and hissyfits over every single bill

does obama deserve the nobel prize? probably not, but people think the situation is a lot simpler than it actually is.

The media as a whole has a crazy amount of power... I'm sure big business has enormous lobbies direct to parliament, but networks like Fox do a good enough job of stalling the liberal/left agenda on their own. What I don't get is that a majority of Americans already voted for public health care... it was part of Obama's election campaign, so why do the Dems feel the need to try and convince everyone all over again? Bush and his lot managed to get a couple of wars through that practically nobody seemed to want... they just insisted they were necessary!

GROW A PAIR OF BARACKS

alien pimp wrote:looooooooooooooooooool! prank of the decade for sure!

Pistonsbeneath wrote:just goes to show how fucked things are...

Genevieve wrote:His secretary of treasury is the former president of the Federal Reserve, the central bank that is not apart of the government that was founded, among others, by a Rockefeller.

Much like the presidents before him, he will pander first and foremost to large corporations.

alien pimp wrote:this made me experience some interesting moodswings:
first i laughed and felt amused for like a couple of hours, then i became quite sad, because this shit tells me some guys can afford anything in this world, including our asses if they feel like it...

Another fucked up thing: I agree with you

the noble prize just became like a tony award, worthless!

hurlingdervish wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:i cant call him a puppet cause thats misinformed .

you gotta back this up with some info that proves he has his own will that at least occasionally prevails over the big capital's interests

no actually i dont, its the accusation that needs proof

get rid of the cliches man, that's in court! we're thinking rationally/scientifically here. when they prove it in science, those are no accusations.
correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

Define 'puppet'?

I'm sure that Obama ran with the best of intentions, every president does. Including Bush (yes, this is the same Bush that was the president of the USA for 8 years and this one doesn't stutter or trip over his own words, sounded like a president I could get behind right here). However, Obama, like the presidents before him, got the most corporate backing out of any candidate running in 2008. Now, lemme put it like this, why would the corporations support someone who is in it for the people when you consider that corporations are only in it for making profit by any means necessary with no personal responsibility, except for the share holders? Do corporations suddenly care for the people? The same corporations who control the Federal Reserve (watch the whole thing to understand the problem) that was solely created to control the USA's monetary system in favor of corporate interest?

I'm sure that Obama's going to try to do as much as he can, but he... can't. All he can do is project a certain morale into the population. Is he as weak as Bush? I don't know, he may or may not be, or maybe he's just a better liar, I don't know. But depending on your definition of 'puppet', he could very well be one. I have no opinion on that.

I don't believe in the NWO, I do believe that there's globalization and that corporations would like nothing more than a one world government with a single, imaginary, monetary system (hell, some of them even admitted that, I'm paraphrasing them here). However, I don't think there's some huge ass plot to enslave mankind to the corporations, who have been planning this for hundreds of years in secret back rooms. I've gotta say, though, that globalization is a bad idea and very real and that the problem we face in the world today aren't because of free market capitalism, quite on the contrary. It's big governments allowing corporations (corporations are contradictory to 'free marketism') to control the monetary system and the market.

So far, Obama hasn't proven that he's not going down the same road that many others before him have.

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:i cant call him a puppet cause thats misinformed .

you gotta back this up with some info that proves he has his own will that at least occasionally prevails over the big capital's interests

no actually i dont, its the accusation that needs proof

get rid of the cliches man, that's in court! we're thinking rationally/scientifically here. when they prove it in science, those are no accusations.
correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

its not just court man its used everywhere....even in philosophy. its called not making assumptions based on your emotions

show me a document saying that obama has catered specifically to a higher power and ill believe you otherwise i have no reason to riddle my mind with that indirect frustration that seems to be so popular these days

no no, it was the nobel peas prize.

"hey did you take my food out of the fridge this morning?"

"no man"

"prove you didn't! you thief!"

"you are an asshole" *leaves*

The Nobel Peace Prize goes to President Barack Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."

what a fucking joke

Alien pimp, it's all well and good knowing he's a puppet etc but if you believe this to be true, what do you do other than tell people on a forum about it? Have you attempted take action?

also, how do I know you're not a government puppet?

(I presume you'll answer that back saying I am, we all are)



(but now I've said that you'll say something else)

hurlingdervish wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:i cant call him a puppet cause thats misinformed .

you gotta back this up with some info that proves he has his own will that at least occasionally prevails over the big capital's interests

no actually i dont, its the accusation that needs proof

get rid of the cliches man, that's in court! we're thinking rationally/scientifically here. when they prove it in science, those are no accusations.
correct is: anything that wants to pass as true needs proves!

said it yourself

its not just court man its used everywhere....even in philosophy. its called not making assumptions based on your emotions

show me a document saying that obama has catered specifically to a higher power and ill believe you otherwise i have no reason to riddle my mind with that indirect frustration that seems to be so popular these days

then if you agree with me, why only the ones making what you call "accusations" need to prove themselves? everyone does when they want to pass something as true. both you and me!

since you launched the idea, you should be the one supporting it, instead of hiding from it behind cliches that don't work.

if you are shy about it, i'll start, supporting my idea by saying there is muuuch more examples of his actions that made some companies/large capital/the government happy, than examples of actions people really benefited
also by saying he promised loads and it's almost a year and nothing accomplished
giving him credit that he has the good will, the good will doesn't materialise, so it's other wills that prevail then, right?

your turn now!

I have not seen or experienced anything that would make me believe so. I , therefore, have nothing to prove.

bandshell wrote:Alien pimp, it's all well and good knowing he's a puppet etc but if you believe this to be true, what do you do other than tell people on a forum about it? Have you attempted take action?

also, how do I know you're not a government puppet?

(I presume you'll answer that back saying I am, we all are)



(but now I've said that you'll say something else)

you people can't focus on ideas, it's always like about bashing a person
stop this, it's jokes, it's internet, focus on what i say because you can't say shit about me personally.

i'm fucking irrelevant for the discussion, you don't need to care about me, see if what i say works
i'll take care of myself

hurlingdervish wrote:I have not seen or experienced anything that would make me believe so. I , therefore, have nothing to prove.

what you need to prove is the point you make, what you say it's like "i have no contrary proves then i have nothing to prove"

a fact is not proved by lack of negative proves, unless there are affirmative proves too.

i brought you affirmative proves
where are yours?

alien pimp wrote:

hurlingdervish wrote:I have not seen or experienced anything that would make me believe so. I , therefore, have nothing to prove.

what you need to prove is the point you make, what you say it's like "i have no contrary proves then i have nothing to prove"

a fact is not proved by lack of negative proves, unless there are affirmative proves too.

i brought you affirmative proves
where are yours?

What are proves?

check a dictionary

alien pimp wrote:check a dictionary

It's a verb, not a noun.

alien pimp wrote:

bandshell wrote:Alien pimp, it's all well and good knowing he's a puppet etc but if you believe this to be true, what do you do other than tell people on a forum about it? Have you attempted take action?

also, how do I know you're not a government puppet?

(I presume you'll answer that back saying I am, we all are)



(but now I've said that you'll say something else)

you people can't focus on ideas, it's always like about bashing a person
stop this, it's jokes, it's internet, focus on what i say because you can't say shit about me personally.

i'm fucking irrelevant for the discussion, you don't need to care about me, see if what i say works
i'll take care of myself

No one is going to give one man that kind of power, it's obvious. So, I'm focused on the idea, now what?