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Yeah, no. I am totally freaking tiered of workarounds on fundamental shit.

Deadly, what were your gripes with 4?

decklyn wrote: Hello,

You can copy automation.
There are multiple time stretching algorythms - right click audio and click process - there are two main algorhyms with different quality settings for different types of sounds like in live. Agreed though the default algorhytm applied when you use the handles is all choppy. I like the effect though and intentionally use it.
The real down sides for me are in the stereo channel versions (ie the ones that don't have surround) you can't have stereo sidechaining with many compressors. Check out sidekick v3 or v4 to remedy this though.
At least in cubase3.
It's also intimidating for some people.
There are a limited number of insert and send channels.
You can't change the order of send channels like you can in logic.
It's a great Daw though all in all. Great flow easy to use. My personal fav.

I've been through all the algorithms and yes there is a fair bit of flexibility which helps but I stand by my original comment, it could be better, ableton is much better for a start. Also try stretching a short sample (a drum for example) to about twice it's length, it stretches it then when it place is starts again as you get near the end....very weird and annoying behaviour!

Side-chaining is so simple in Cubase 4 & 5, the sidechain, it's true that many 3rd party compressor plugins aren't vst3 yet so don't support it but the built in one is fine for most purposes and FabFilter Pro-C is vst3 if you want another option...more will come soon too.

With regards to 8 send/insert slots...8 seems like quite a few really but if you want more route your channel to a group and you get another 8. You can do this as many times as you want so it's not really an issue.

nowaysj wrote:

the dub lemon wrote:2) Can't drag samples from mediabay to vsts with drag & drop capability (e.g drag a sample from media bay to kontakt).

Ouch. Even in 5? There is preview in the media bay though, right? So you've got to find the sample through the bay, then find it again through the os? Blagghh!

As I was writing that I was actually wandering that myself, I tried in 4 and it didn't work so I've never tried it since, I will check it out and let you know though...would be great if it's been fixed!

resktwo wrote:any downside that will be mentioned is just a matter of not knowing how to do it.. Since cubase 4 it has no flaws if your willing to get to the bottom of things..

Except that there's no way to group automation events like midi events to make moving / copying them easier...nor is there a way to have track automations follow MIDI data when moved.

I dare you to figure that one out...or maybe you just don't know how to do it

haven't we gone over this???

hee hee

other than the "copy automation" thing there are no limitations in Cubase 5

it's a powerful DAW alongside Logic / Protools

go out and buy it

nowaysj wrote:Yeah, no. I am totally freaking tiered of workarounds on fundamental shit.

Deadly, what were your gripes with 4?

that i never had it?

what a fuckin guy eh? pimps the ableton for awhile...now he's shaking hands with cubase...

I like to work with audio bro. Ableton can do some amazing things, and really for performance, I can't imagine anything better. But I went back into fruity to work on a track, and my god are things easier to do in there. Just so happens that fl has a few Achilles's heals. I'm hoping cubase doesn't have some blind siding deficiencies as all the software seems to have.

If I had a job, I would have bought live and the apc40 on the spot. I was head over heals there for a minute. But sends in ableton, the mixer in general, no. The screen layout... I'm not on a laptop so it was more trouble than it needed to be. The midi editor, jokes man. But the ability to edit midi with the keyboard in ableton is amazing, all of the other daws should implement, amazing.

Did not think that midi editing would be so piss poor in cubase. I'm shocked.

nowaysj wrote:Did not think that midi editing would be so piss poor in cubase. I'm shocked.

or maybe you need to just stop comparing everything to fruityloops and just stick to something

dood, I would be in fruity right now if were not for the pdc. Anyone working on a daw other than fl should never try fl's midi editing. It will ruin everything else for u. It whoops ass on everything. I do a lot of midi editing, so its kind of a big deal for me. FWIW, ableton's midi editing whoops ass on cubases'

nowaysj wrote:FWIW, ableton's midi editing whoops ass on cubases'

I just can't see that myself...fucking hate ableton for midi, love cubase for midi

Probably there will be a Cubase demo version available soon!

nowaysj wrote:FWIW, ableton's midi editing whoops ass on cubases'

Ableton Live is neat for live remixing, but seriously cannot hold a candle to Steinbergs MIDI and VST handling

they invented the VST / VSTI platform

the dub lemon wrote:

nowaysj wrote:FWIW, ableton's midi editing whoops ass on cubases'

I just can't see that myself...fucking hate ableton for midi, love cubase for midi

To my newbie knowledge, it is very laborious to draw, move, size, delete, and slide off the grid midi notes. There are no contextual tooltips, have to keep going to the palet of tools just to do simple things.

Zooming as a complement to this is also antiquated. It's the fucking german way... it's exactly how logic used to be. Am going to set up some zooming presets and see how that goes.

For zooming I just set up Y-G-H-B on my keyboard as vertical and horizontal zoom in/out buttons....works a treat.

but what DAW incorporates all these things flawlessly? there has yet to be one. I know it's just a discussion going on here, but there's always one aspect of a program thats gonna be irritating.

Wish it was just one thing that was an annoyance. Problem with these older programs is they are antiques. I mean these were the first ideas of how you could do these things with a computer. They've never updated some of their basic concepts.

I have to try studio one out again. I demo'ed it but it seemed pretty rough around the edges, and didn't even support vst's... jokes.

Is it true that you can only have 8 sends total in the project in cubase? God I hope not.

is that the one by Presonus or whoever? that looked quite good

we just got one in at work i may pick up depending on the cost to me next paycheck. if so will give feedback.
cubase midi editing is kinda a pain compared to fl and such, but once you get used to it it is a quick workflow, just takes a bit of adjustment.