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good bump!

spooKs wrote:good bump!

agreed.. that's excellent bumping!

so basically kode9's a genius?

Quietmouse wrote:so basically kode9's a genius?

i don't think the book's gonna win the nobel prize or nothing

but it's going to be quite interesting.

Futureproof wrote: ... due out on MIT Press in 2009 ...

whoa!

Is anyone going to filming/recording Steve Goodman's talk? I'd be off to this but I'm out of the country that weekend.

Mans got a Phd so technically he should already have a Thesis bound.

jackquinox wrote:Mans got a Phd so technically he should already have a Thesis bound.

haha he wont tell where it is though!

i think steve's journalism he did in the early dubstep days is considered by a lot of the people who were involved to have been important to vital in thinking about what was going on/what would be the future.

no-one shld be scared by people throwing around big terms on dissensus tho ffs it's just nerds trying to assert their phallic efficacy

bribkin wrote:no-one shld be scared by people throwing around big terms on dissensus tho ffs it's just nerds trying to assert their phallic efficacy

CCRU is utterly terrifying to be fair. Dissensus is mostly people posting up their favourite kebab places in Dalston and discussing the merits of ties with hoodies at the moment

everyone should check the hyperdub archives on www.riddim.ca though, some great pieces in there.

bribkin wrote:

jackquinox wrote:Mans got a Phd so technically he should already have a Thesis bound.

haha he wont tell where it is though!

i think steve's journalism he did in the early dubstep days is considered by a lot of the people who were involved to have been important to vital in thinking about what was going on/what would be the future.

no-one shld be scared by people throwing around big terms on dissensus tho ffs it's just nerds trying to assert their phallic efficacy

The early hyperdub writing is proper foundational stuff - incredible foresight there.

I'm a moderator on dissensus and a lot of the critical theory stuff goes way over my head - and frankly I think a lot of it is toss.

But a lot isn't, and there's nowt wrong with trying to education yourself a bit.

Nobody here was born with knowledge of what a dubplate is, or bpm or whatever. Some fields use specialist terms and you can pick them up after a while with a bit of searching/reading.

Or decide not to (I've decided not to get deep into Zizek, Lacan and all that - there are only so many hours in the day and I can't be arsed!)

I'd quite like to see someone post up a lacanian analysis of the 'haircuts' thread in misc. over there

Alex bk-bk wrote:here's a good place to look if you'd like to know what to expect:

www.ccru.net/

Ok so i was reading that and at first i thought it was a collection of haikus but its not, is it???

What in the most basic of terms is this CCRU about???

I am interested to know what Kode did a Phd in. I was literally on the verge of one myself, having done an MA in film was thinking about making the leap into full time academia...

Also, have to say that I LOVE critical theory.

jackquinox wrote: What in the most basic of terms is this CCRU about???

Errr, erm, well it's best to jump into it I suppose. If you've read A Thousand Plateaus you'll have a bit more luck with it all. It does seem to be constructed in a similar way to atp, rhizomatic sort of. Lots of concepts that work together as a toolset but in a different way to normal academic writing.

Deleuze (from Artaud) descibes "thought operating on a basis of central breakdown that lives soley on it's incapacity to take form, bringing into relief on traits of exxpression in a material, developing peripherally, in a milieu of exteriority, as a function of singularities impossible to universalize, of circumsances impossible to interiorize"

It's not organised in a 'this-follows-from-that' kind of way, its a collection of thought that uses different ways of thinking or concepts to break from established patterns or ways of thinking or using concepts from different fields to think think about things in different ways. God that's an appalingly constructed sentance that makes very littel sense, sorry.

http://www.ccru.net/swarm1/1_motion.htm That's really good, Kodwo Eshun, it'll give you a place to work from or at lweast some of the tools to work with.

This too:
"The angular momentum of breakbeat culture provides a sonic simulation of hyperurban meltdown. Not an analogy but a cartographic isomorphism opening sonic production onto a war continuum which deposits localised chaosmosis on every scale. 'Jungle's basic problem'- how to sustain rhythmic asymmetry, nurture the swerve, sustain the turbulence- 'what degree of stratification is required to get distributed?' Protracting activity against hyper-control through a becoming imperceptible. Programmed catastrophe means that the 'nomadic speed' of the extensive riot is already overexposed in a cyberfascist video capture- digitalization as stratification. From the amped-down, two-step stand-up of monoplod neuro-funk (eg. Shadow Boxing) to the turbines of no u turn, dillinja, lemon d, technical itch etc. to the elongated snake style of source direct (razors edge 5), the phase space of breakbeat warps, breaks down, solidifies and dissolves as if waiting for a geological singularity to send a new seismic wave through the submarine rhythm space of pop culture. Digital turbulence. Haptic cyberspace. "

That's by Kode 9

UFO over easy wrote:I'd quite like to see someone post up a lacanian analysis of the 'haircuts' thread in misc. over there

oh that's definitely my field i'm on it

Yo

this is an ever and ongoing problem, especially when you get into the post-structuralist thing of the world is hard to understand so the writing should reflect that. and no-one would want to hold back ideas for the sake of intelligibility.

(and if steve's writing was foundational then people must have understood : D)

but accessible versus engaging with academic thought is actually more of a theoretical difference than one embodied in the writing, in most cases. ie. a good writer imo should be able to do both.

having said that I really like Lacan.

having said that I really hate him as well.

have just been reading a really good book by Macey called 'Lacan In Context' (which 9 snorted at as it happens, and it is possibly the worst book title ever) but which unpicks a lot of the mythologising that goes on around Lacan, a good instance being the way he was published (a-chronologically in 'Ecrits') and the way people reference his works (for instance all referencing 'Ecrits') mean that his ideas get referred to as some kind of permanent, atemporal concepts, as if they were divine or something. lol. Loads of funny stories in that book as well.

I could go on. Anyway the point being you should never really be intimidated by it.

(I feel to write analysis of Dissensus threads based on Macey now.)

I remember reading in an interview with Foucault that the reason his style was often so complex and not straight forward was in part due to the academic climate of the 60s. If you didn't write in a convoluted manner than people wouldn't take you seriously.

With all philosophy though, the more you read the more you understand. I was reading a thousand plateaus (becoming intense, becoming animal) again on the bus this morning and there were concepts leaping out at me that I'd completely missed before.

seen I can read Lacan without having to stop all the time now

I envy you, I wish I could spend all day doing that. I think the only way for me to make any headway with Lacan would be to win the lottery or be on sick leave for two years.

Saying that, I do actually make films for a living, so technically according to Deleuze I am... it's just that they happen to be very very dull thoughts indeed at present.

UFO over easy wrote:I wouldn't be surprised. Isn't he a lecturer or teacher of some sort?